Why do Gezendong-style-tankies support Putin and Xi-Xinpin so much ?
Why would communist support capitalists like Putin and Xi-Jinping which aren’t better than Liberal-capitalists ?
I am all in for stopping liberal capitalism, but I am more interested in implementing a happinex index like Buthan than living in oligarch-capitalist-regime like Russia/China
Well if you’re going to be so specific as to say “genzedong-style”, maybe pay attention to the “zedong” part? Presumably they believe in socialism-with-chinese-characteristics as a path towards communism.
Putin idk, in my experience they usually only support russia insofar as it undermines the hegemony of the United States, whose consolidated power over global affairs has been a major blocker of left wing movements worldwide since ww2. But there are some who seem to take it more seriously than that and either are too caught up in the memes or legitimately don’t understand that modern russia is a capitalist hellscape.
in my experience they usually only support russia insofar as it undermines the hegemony of the United States, whose consolidated power over global affairs has been a major blocker of left wing movements worldwide since ww2. But there are some who seem to take it more seriously than that and either are too caught up in the memes or legitimately don’t understand that modern russia is a capitalist hellscape.
It’s bizarre. Both countries have moved away from communism. Russia is ruled by oligarchs. Xi-Jinping’s stated goals are to move China to a modern socialist nation while staying in keeping with China’s culture. His actions are the opposite—China has become more and more capitalist while maintaining authoritarian leadership.
The use of the dollar as a big stick for military base expansion and funding of forever wars across the world is directly threatened by the creation of a multipolar world. While Russia has amble things that can be criticized for, there is critical support as the defeat of NATO forces combined with the expansion of BRICS and China’s BRI has created space for many countries in the world to cease their dependence on the united states while ending the funding of a military that authoritatively declared itself the world police.
Based on this data I would come to the conclusion that China is doing a good job, not to mention Covid-19 where majority of the western countries subjected large amounts of the population to a disease and continues to make allowances for anti-vaccine misinfo advocates.
Chinese homeownership is 89% compared to the united states 65% under Xi Jinping’s tenure
Chinese poverty has continued to decrease under Xi Jinping’s tenure
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t say that US are great or whatever. I say that as a socialist, modern China is pretty far from the kind of society I would like to build, and just like I blame some comrade for falling in the social liberal trap, I blame others for falling in the anything against US is good trap
Because for them hate for the west comes first and foremost, and after that comes their ideology. That’s why anyone who opposes the west is good in their eyes.
because they are campists: if america bad, then everyone who opposes america good. support for land-grabbing nationalists like putin is one thing, but some even support iranian government
By the mental gymnastics they have applied to make Stalins brand of communism into their ideal they have actually learned to embrace authoritarianism.
They think that the only way that communism can be manifested is by first destroying the western capitalist society and they think Putin and Xi will help in this endeavor.
It’s quite delusional (as both are openly embracing capitalism) and quite the opposite of how Marx thought communism would take place, but that’s what they seem to think.
I get called a tankie for pointing out the US role in destabilizing Ukraine and supporting the coup there than led directly to the civil war in Donbass. Don’t support Putin at all. Totally anti wal but painted as a 'putin apologist ’ for bringing up facts. There is a historical context totally missing in western media because the US wanted this proxy war. And are working overtime to control the narrative and prevent people from understanding the history that made the war inevitable.
I get called a tankie for pointing out the US role in destabilizing Ukraine and supporting the coup there than led directly to the civil war in Donbass.
Well, now I’m curious. I know next to nothing about this, I barely knew where Ukraine was before 2016, so please share ;)
OP is referring to the fact that the Ukrainian parliament was cozying up to the West, as the West was trying to get it as a close trade partner, which would have circumvented Ukraine’s reliance on Russia, effectively pulling it from Russia’s shrinking sphere of influence over to the West. Also, the revolution that started the open conflict has allegedly had a lot of clandestine support from the US.
There was no US destabilising Ukraine, there was no coup, those are taken right from the Kremlin book of propaganda.
There were civil society protests in Ukraine in 2014 to oppose government’s withdrawal from EU talks. Ukrainian government, then backed by Russia, used brutal force against civilians while Russia “secretly” and illegally annexed Crimea (as always with them, firstly not acknowledging anything, using so called little green men, russian soldiers without proper markings, who later got medals for it).
At he same time, Russia invaded Donbas, again “secretly”, talking about “civil war”, but it was no civil war. The so called separatists were controlled by Moscow, supplied heavy weapons and even commanders by Moscow.
Eight years later, they invaded massively and openly, bz make no mistake, Russia’s attempt to destroy and landgrab Ukraine lasts way longer than that.
Putin was forced to start a proxy war, shoot down a passenger plane, annex Crimea, invade the whole of Ukraine and commit multiple war crimes, because the people didn’t elect his friends, you see. /s
russian propaganda is actually far beyond this, claiming that they are saving the people of the donbas from genocidal ukrainian nazis, which that guy didn’t say. Saying “hey maybe this isn’t as one-sided as western media makes it out to be” is actually closer to a centrist position
They probably mean Ukrainian citizens ditching a 'democratically elected' president who they didn't like, because he tried to make Ukraine more Russian than European.
But that is still a democracy in work, when this is what most of citizens want. Especially when later democratic elections prove that (as it happened in Ukraine). Russia should not intervene, but they did and this destabilized the situation.
The Maidan revolution happened because the Ukrainian parliament had been working on a trade agreement with the EU. Then Russian puppet Yanukovych gets elected and through Russian pressure discards this agreement completely. The Ukrainian people tired of living under Putins boot, much like Belarusian people still do, had a revolution which lead to the police killing many people. Once the revolution was over Russia immediately invaded Crimea. Painting Ukrainian independence not as an act of self determination but as American meddling is Russian propaganda. Painting Russian military invasion not as a military invasion but requirement from western aggression is also Russian propaganda. Stop supporting authoritarian regimes, they’re not your friend. Something the Ukrainian people have had to learn with their blood.
Living under Putin’s boot? What? So now you get to live under Goldman Sachs and Blackrocks boot while all leftist parties are banned in the Ukraine and everything is sold off to foreign investors. And while we’re talking about authoritarian regimes there are a bunch of people in Gitmo that have never been tried, still in jail. Julian Assange in jail. More people in jail than any other country in history is the current US record. Please. Tell me all about authoritarian regimes lol
The people of Ukraine didn’t want to be Russian, they wanted to be more like the West. Their leader at the time wanted Ukraine to get in bed with Russia and the rest of the East. They ousted him. Putin seized on their moment of weakness and instability by invading.
Could the US have played a role? Yeah but every country with the ability to project any power almost certainly did as well. That’s just geopolitics at work for better or worse.
Every single country on Earth exerts influence on the others to benefit themselves. Look at Ukraine cozying up with the West right now to get weapons and notice how the US, UK, and other Western nations are happily obliging. Ukraine wants to be Western and the West would love another long-term ally, especially one next to Russia. Anyone really think Eastern nations don’t do the same thing? China is exerting a ton of influence in Africa right now, and it’s not out of the goodness of their hearts - it’s quite predatory actually so they’re no different than the US in that regard.
The eastern part of Ukraine did want to be Russian.
China doesn’t require austerity for their loans like the IMF does.
Your talking points just show the depth of your understanding is limited and that’s not surprising. The information war is in full effect, it’s heavily funded, and truth is the first victim
Ok even though your query seems condescending I will assume it is in good faith. so when the IMF makes a loan they require ‘structural adjustment’ of the country borrowing money. In other words push down wages and privatize any state owned social services. This is common knowledge and there is a wealth of information available on this topic.
China is approaching the ‘belt and road’ lending program differently, focusing on a ‘win win’ for lender and borrower. That’s why they are so popular in the global south. Again tons of data including world bank analysis saying they need to change the lending model to compete.
I hope you can get access to a wider swath of data because there is so much propaganda in western media it’s almond impossible to parse.
The west isn’t the good guy but you’re nuts if you think China isn’t sucking Africa dry.
I just watched a documentary recently (I will genuinely try to find it again and link here if I can) where Native African workers were being put out of business by China in their own country. China is mining for rare Earth metals using Chinese workers and trapping a lot of these countries in debts they won’t be able to pay back. Once I saw it coming from the mouths of Native Africans, I knew it wasn’t propaganda from either side. Straight to the source - people who live there and see it every day. They start out very grateful for China’s assistance and then later on realize the trap they are in.
There’s plenty of info of African leaders thanking China approach in Africa. African leaders are not dumb , if China offers a better credit card and infrastructure plans than some western countries they will choose that. Yes, it’s that simple.
Basically because there’s enough people on the planet that some are going fall into any camp that gets created. People seek their own identities, which sometimes involves moving away from things other people are believing in.
Possibly an adaptation to keep the species from getting too complacent, which we’re a little inclined towards otherwise, probably due to our social nature. It’s a vulnerable state though, can’t have the whole species going extinct every time an ice age comes.
Basically they’ve bought into the idea that the West, neoliberal capitalists to the core, is the root of all evils, so the leaders opposing the West must be good. Unfortunately, the enemy of my enemy isn’t my friend when it comes to geopolitics.
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