How did Lemmy World become the default instance?

World was already the biggest by far when I first started lurking back in July, and it’s just getting more dominant. Before, there was quite some diversity in the distribution of generic communities, but nowadays the vast majority of posts that reach the top are from over there.

I really can’t see any specific virtue that it has; uptime is not the best (or so I’ve heard), the moderation is quite lacking (which is demonstrated by the fact that Beehaw defederated them), they make some unpopular moderation choices (like blocking !piracy), and overall the atmosphere is a lot less… nice than those of smaller instances.

I also feel like it goes against the idea of the Fediverse that one instance has control over most of the platform. Especially on Lemmy, where communities mean that building community within an instance makes so much more sense than elsewhere, and upvotes are federated near perfectly regardless the size of your instance, decentralisation makes a lot of sense. It really just doesn’t make sense to me that Lemmy World is where people are going.

Blaze, (edited )
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

At the time, LW was among the only ones that could handle the influx of registrations.

So naturally, it became the default one, as people would want to get on the biggest one, similar to a way the biggest Mastodon instance is very prevalent.

People were also afraid their All feed won’t be as full if they were not on LW.

Nowadays I think the repartition is a bit better, and most of the top communities have at least an equivalent out of LW.

Masimatutu,
@Masimatutu@mander.xyz avatar

Yeah, I guess people have a reflex to always go wherever is the biggest (which doesn’t really make sense in the Fediverse).

Mastodon is different, though. Mastodon.social is the default instance and is heavily suggested by the company, while join-lemmy.org lists instances randomly by default. There must be something that inclined users to join it, considering that it gained enough momentum to make up more than half of Lemmy users (not counting alien.top).

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Join-lemmy was different at the time. There were only a few instances listed, and most of them where either quite selective in their registration, completely closed, or open. LW was among the last ones.

There was also the trend (and I did it as well) to tell Reddit users to “just go to LW, it’s like Reddit” to avoid having to confuse them with federation.

KSPAtlas,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

Back when i made this account, lemmy.ml was i think one of the only instances with an active user count in the triple digits, and sopuli had single digits

jeena,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

alien.top

I never heard of that instance, it has over one milion users but zero communities, what kind of a instance is that??

Masimatutu,
@Masimatutu@mander.xyz avatar

Reddit mirror, see lemm.ee/post/16850498

jeena,
@jeena@jemmy.jeena.net avatar

Oh god, I see, thanks for the link!

livus,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@jeena pretty sure it's bots.

iso,
@iso@lemy.lol avatar

TBH they couldn’t handled the traffic at the beginning because Lemmy wasn’t stable as is now, but I believe they tried their best. Also I can’t say for all of them but their admins are reliable, trustworthy people.

illi,

I was on LW at first but made a switch specifically because the instancencouldn’t handle the influx

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

There was also a user that was booted for sublemmy camping (literally trying to grab thousands of sub names) that was constantly ddosing the site, and doing everything they could to mess things up for others.

TeaHands,
@TeaHands@lemmy.world avatar

Oh wow yeah the “I’m going to destroy your server” guy. I wonder what happened to him.

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

Probably still around under a different name or over on hexbear with all the other like-minded individuals.

antik,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

No this had nothing to do with Hexbear

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

I never said they had anything to do with it, only that may be where he went. (assuming he’s not still here.) The crap he was posting was very similar to what they were spamming.

antik,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

Ok just want to make it clear that we never suspected Hexbear to be involved. This started before we defederated with them.

Rocketpoweredgorilla,
@Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca avatar

No problem, maybe I should have been more clear with my comment. I was here when all that crap went down under a different username before I switched to this .ca one as my daily driver.

antik,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

*allegedly

We are not sure who was behind the ddos. It could have been that guy or it could have been users from exploding-heads.com because we defederated with them.

Or it could just as well have been an admins from another instance that didn’t like LW was the biggest instance.

The only thing that was sure was that they knew very well how Lemmy worked and which actions caused the heaviest load on the server.

Selkie,

Same here, switched cause of the down time mostly

antik,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

We couldn’t handle the ddos at times, the influx was never the problem. Every time that did become a problem we upgraded the hardware.

hunter2,

Many (relatively) smaller instances have a target audience. When you are new and don’t want to get “locked in”, a general instance feels just right. That’s how I chose mine.

kiwifoxtrot,
@kiwifoxtrot@lemmy.world avatar

Just to be clear, Beehaw defederated LW and many others because they allowed for open sign ups.

Masimatutu,
@Masimatutu@mander.xyz avatar

From beehaw.org/post/567170 (regarding reasons for defederation from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works)

the disproportionate number of moderator actions we take against users of these two instances, and the general amount of time we have to dedicate to bad actors on those two instances;

Kecessa, (edited )

Then again you’re talking about Beehaw, their users react so badly to anyone telling them they might be wrong that it’s not surprising their mods need to spend a disproportionate amount of time taking action against other users.

They defederated from my instance (after refederating) after their users raided the two management communities and were told to fuck off and then played victims in the defederation post, I would take whatever they say with a huge grain of salt.

Forget that, was thinking about Hexbear!

Masimatutu, (edited )
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I dunno though. Most trolls and bad actors that I have seen around here have indeed been from sh.itjust.works and Lemmy World.

Edit: Ah, that explains it. Beehaw is such a chill place, I could never imagine them doing such things.

Kecessa, (edited )

~~sh.itjust.works/post/4279462~~

~~sh.itjust.works/post/4188546~~

~~sh.itjust.works/post/4281207~~

Their admin reaction

~~hexbear.net/post/504353~~

“Sh.itholefor.nazis” very mature…

Forget that, I always mix up Beehaw and Hexbear!

MeowZedong,
@MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml avatar

If you don’t want to be called Nazis, then stop putting up with all the fascists in your instance. Pretending the problem doesn’t exist is definitely the mature stance to take when someone points out that your instance is harboring fascists.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The are in the top 5 biggest instances (and programming.dev changed their own account of active users recently), so statistically that makes sense.

lemmy.fediverse.observer/list

Masimatutu, (edited )
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Together, they make up a bit more less than 50% of active users, yet basically all far-right trolls are from there. You could say it is more difficult to moderate big instances, but if you have more users to moderate, you should also increase moderating capacity or close registrations.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

all far-right trolls are from there.

Interesting, my personal experience has been more spread, including a few very toxic users on lemme.ee.

lvxferre,
@lvxferre@lemmy.ml avatar

Together, they make up a bit more than 50% of active users, yet basically all far-right trolls are from there.

That doesn’t say much about LW besides being the biggest instance - because trolls beeline towards larger audiences.

but if you have more users to moderate, you should also increase moderating capacity or close registrations.

Closing registrations might be the sensible approach here. Because the necessary moderation grows exponentially, and eventually too large of a mod/admin team becomes a problem on its own.

MeowZedong,
@MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml avatar

The barrier of an application is enough to scare off most non-serious users. I used to favor open registration, but after making an account and participating on an instance with open registration vs closed, I found the closed registration shuts down a lot of bad actors and makes the instance a more pleasant community.

I’m not even advocating for rejecting any of the applications, just having questions to answer before joining seems to significantly cut down on the trolls.

antik, (edited )
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We do not make up for 50% of the active users. Also we have plenty of moderators and admins, reports get handled pretty fast. It’s up to the community moderators first but if it takes too long one of the admins will step in.

And we will never close registrations.

Masimatutu,
@Masimatutu@mander.xyz avatar

We do not make up for 50% of the active users.

I remember it used to be higher, now it is approx. 41%. Only strengthens my point, though.

Alsof we have plenty of moderators and admins, reports get handled pretty fast.

I see different things. There are quite some trolls and abusive accounts that don’t seem to get removed.

And we will never close registrations.

I’m just saying the moderation has to improve in some way.

OurToothbrush, (edited )

I dont know why you’re getting down voted, as a moderator basically all the “death to brown people” comments I have to delete are from that shithole and lemm.ee.

inverted_deflector,

Lol yeah I just migrated my account away from beehaw because they do plan on leaving eventually and it’s kind of jarring how much more low effort posting there is now.

lvxferre,
@lvxferre@lemmy.ml avatar

Then again you’re talking about Beehaw, their users react so badly to anyone telling them they might be wrong that it’s not surprising their mods need to spend a disproportionate amount of time taking action against other users.

I think that you’re partially right.

The sort of online fight that Beehaw seeks to avoid depends on having at least one dumb fuck¹. Two cause it faster, but one is enough - because smart people have an easier time reaching agreement or realising that no agreement is possible.

Both sides (LW+SJW and Beehaw) have their shares of smart posters and dumb fucks². The later are there for different reasons:

  • LW+SJW absorbed the bulk of the Reddit diaspora, and Reddit culture revolves around being a dumb fuck;
  • Beehaw doesn’t prevent you from being a dumb fuck, as long as you are not the one apparently starting the fight. Effectively sheltering dumb fucks who are really good at passive aggression, and who’ll have a meltdown once you say “what you said is incorrect, here’s why”, as they’ll interpret this as a personal attack.

If you’re a smart user, you eventually learn how to handle the dumb fucks in your instance, in a way that is allowed there: chewing them out (within limits) or avoiding them like a plague. But those approaches break once you’re handling someone from the other side:

  • smart Beehaw user interacting with LW+SJW dumb fuck: "I feel like I’m always swallowing frogs with those users, as they say stupid shit and I don’t want to be rude."
  • smart LW+SJW interacting with Beehaw dumb fuck: insert here your first paragraph. It’s why I think that you’re partially right.

notes1. For the sake of this comment, I’m defining “dumb fuck” as someone who assumes too much, oversimplifies, disregards context, focuses too much on who says it instead of what is being said, lacks basic understanding of what other users say, or a mix of those. 2. Note that, while it’s useful to pretend that “dumb fuck” and “smart user” are different categories of people, they are not - those are different categories of user behaviour, i.e. the same person could be theoretically a dumb fuck in some situations and a smart user in another.

inverted_deflector,

This isnt really true about beehaw though. Their mods actually have really good heads on their shoulders when it comes to policy and enforcement.

Their goal is to protect the general vibe of the place and their prime rule beyond of course not being a bigot is to “Be(e) Nice”. Discussions are meant to be had in good faith and if someone is say spready hate speech and someone tells them to fuck off the mod will likely bad(and depending on what they said delete) the hater and probably do nothing to the person who told them to fuck off.

They will go after people who are arguing in bad faith, trolls, people who are being too aggro for no reason, and of course people getting into a fight who need to cool it.

Their more simplified ruleset is to combat what is often seen when you have the more reddit style strict rules. Where you wind up with users knowing just how to be a dickhead without actually breaking the rules and ruin the place. If a mod bans or deletes a post when the person isnt breaking a rule but stinking up the subreddit then the user causes drama towards the “abusive mod”. So the mods then put in more and more rules until the subreddit becomes bland or hostile towards posters. In this example if someone posts hate speech and someone calmly just tells them to fuck off then both posters will have to be penalized for breaking rules.

The beehaw system allows for discretion. Ive also seen admins and mods on that site try and talk things out with posters who are causing a stink and giving them a good faith opportunity before showing them the door.

lvxferre,
@lvxferre@lemmy.ml avatar

We’re talking about apples and oranges. Or rather, fruits and oranges. Contrast my note #1 with your comment:

[Me] For the sake of this comment, I’m defining “dumb fuck” as someone who assumes too much, oversimplifies, disregards context, focuses too much on who says it instead of what is being said, lacks basic understanding of what other users say, or a mix of those.

[You] people who are arguing in bad faith, trolls, people who are being too aggro for no reason, and of course people getting into a fight who need to cool it. […] say spready hate speech […] users knowing just how to be a dickhead without actually breaking the rules and ruin the place […] if someone posts hate speech […]

You’re talking about intentionally socially disruptive behaviour; Beehaw does address it. However I’m talking about bad = non-contributive behaviour in general, regardless of “intentions” or “faith”.

Z4rK,

I wouldn’t use Beehaw as the standard, they are way too strict on their moderation in many’s opinion.

Kecessa, (edited )

Too strict and their users provoke outside users on purpose.

Please disregard, was mixing up Beehaw and Hexbear

ahriboy,
@ahriboy@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Is Beehaw still getting stricter in terms of content available?

mifan,
@mifan@feddit.dk avatar

This is really what’s is beginning to bother me. I came from Reddit with the fuck-spez-wave searching for an alternative, and Lemmy somehow sounded interesting and a new way of doing things.

I can live with the lag of content, that will come, but more and more it looks like every server is their own little community with whatever weirdnesses they have, and each one has a bunch of moderators, most good, some bad, but all doing what they think is best.

When you’re just a mainstream user looking for content and debate, and take no interest in server drama, defederations and whatever, it’s all just unwanted noise and irritating.

brbposting,

And if you’re not following server news, even if you know the very basics of federation, it’s easy to miss defederations and subsequently never know you’re not seeing content you wanted to see.

Personally, I’m very interested in seeing a true representation of top posts. I’ll need a client that can let me login to multiple instances or a server that’s never the federated from anybody. One risk here is I could recommend Lemmy to someone, they could register on a different instance, and assume I like content I in fact don’t.

Tip: just learned I can see federated and blocked instances at /instances (e.g. sh.itjust.works/instances ).

Z4rK,

I understand the frustration, but I do believe this is a strength of Lemmy. Small; individual communities is what gives incentive to stay independent, and if you just want the broader content, that’s exactly where and why large instances like Lemmy World is also beneficial.

Omega_Haxors,

Of course the other instance is sh.itfullof.nazis, I have yet to see a single comment from there that wasn’t cryptofash garbage

Viking_Hippie,

And because Beehaw is the NIMBYest of NIMBY instances, defederating at the drop of a hat. Come to think of it, didn’t they end up defederating from federation itself?

AlolanYoda,

I still see a few posts and comments from Beehaw so I don’t think so.

inverted_deflector,

I mean theyre trying to keep a chill and civl environment and the mods are volunteers who got tired of having to put up with a disproportionately large amount of comments from very specific instances. Since the mod tools they need in order to better handle this influx wasnt there they took the nuclear option. Something which they did not do lightly.

You can check out: beehaw.org/instances

and see they blocked a lot, but most of what they blocked was trash and they are federated with way more instances.

They do plan on leaving though. They predate the reddit bump by more than a year and they only wanted to be a smaller online community and not a reddit replacement and they havent been able to get the tools they need patched into lemmy.

livus,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

@Masimatutu Mander is where many of the cool science communities are though. :-)

I also feel like it goes against the idea of the Fediverse that one instance has control over most of the platform.

I agree. But I think what has happened is people are bringing a web 2.0 social media mentality to the fediverse. Instead of adjusting to decentralization/federation they are essentially trying to recreate centralization by clustering in the one spot.

Lemmy.world's size and low friction signup became self-perpetuating for people who thought they were going "where everyone else is" and were afraid of missing out.

As the fediverse matures, I think we will see less obsession with recruitment or with needing to be the biggest/only community for whatever subject.

Candelestine,

It’s also worth noting that human beings are not 100% rational creatures, always thoroughly collecting data and making careful decisions about what will get them the best results. Instead they’re just a little bit lazier than that.

Theoretically laziness is a biological adaptation that improves survivability for part of the population during times of famine.

420stalin69,

Comment sorting

Interactivity

Active communities

Z4rK,

I think part of the issue stems from Lemmy not having a good way of tracking a topic / community defined on multiple instances, so you have to track a community on each instance. People want the most active one, so they track the one on LW since it has the most members. And since they track mostly communities on LW it also makes sense to just use LW as the primary.

If Lemmy could have some inbuilt support for tags or subscribing to a topic / multi-instance community, I think people could feel less inclined of defaulting to the largest instance.

Masimatutu,
@Masimatutu@mander.xyz avatar

You can see global active users and local subscribers, which is enough for me, since people on my instace are more likely to have the same interests. If I need global stats, though, there is browse.feddit.de

livus,
@livus@kbin.social avatar

As @Masimatutu points out, for a community on another instance, you normally only see the subscriber count of people from your own instance who are subscribed there, which can make other instances look smaller than they are.

If Lemmy could have some inbuilt support for tags or subscribing to a topic / multi-instance community,

I think you are right. Kbin now has multi-communities called Collections, and it's a bit of a gamechanger.

We can make our own and/or follow other people's public multis on various topics. I am now seeing so much more content from way more instances.

Omega_Haxors,

Remote access of other communities is a smoldering mess. You have to hope the community you want to subscribe to shows up in All or you have to know its name and use the search feature. There’s no way to see another instance’s communities, unless you have an account there, which is a huge problem because you have to go through the huge hassle of signing up for an instance just so you can find the community, and oh yeah, most instances aren’t even open to invitation so it’s not even possible in a lot of cases.

Also if you get banned from a community it force-unsubscribes you, and if you get banned from an instance it won’t even tell you.

Candelestine,

Since nobody mentioned it, I will. It has a cool, short and easy to remember name.

Curb appeal and convenience are extremely powerful drivers of human behavior. Moreso than time-consuming, complex, rational processing in a world of nearly infinite options.

themeatbridge, (edited )

I remember when I joined, there was a list of suggested default instances. I don’t remember the actual list, but it was something like:

Lemmy.randomletters
Radical.politics
Jimbos.diy.server
Swearword.motherfuckers
Lemmy.world

TrickDacy,

Yeah. I continue to be confused by the names of some of them. Wtf is a blaja or whatever

thedirtyknapkin,

blahaj is a trans rights icon sort of.

grue,

It’s an Ikea stuffed shark that’s become a mascot for trans people because it happens to be pink and blue. lemmy.blahaj.zone is an instance for LGBTQ folks.

(I’m aware of this mainly because !196 often has content near the top of “all”, but I sometimes hesitate to comment on it because I don’t want to intrude.)

Omega_Haxors,

196 is its most popular community which sucks because their mods are rabid anti-communists, it’s a really bad look for the instance.

UndercoverUlrikHD,

Blåhaj is the Swedish word for “blue shark” (blå haj). It’s the name of an IKEA plushie of a blue shark.

themeatbridge,

That just raises further questions!

UndercoverUlrikHD,

Other people that replied already explained that the colours of the plushie resembles the one the trans community uses, so it ended being a representation/icon or something of the trans community. I believe the owner of the instance is transgender, so there’s the connection.

themeatbridge,

I know, I just like that line.

TrickDacy,

Thanks!

TrickDacy,

Also you forgot ShItEjUsTwEr.K.s

burgersc12,

sh.itjust.works is barely a swear

themeatbridge,

Sure, but if I want to share a link with my kid’s 3rd grade teacher, it’s nice if it doesn’t say “shit” in the middle of it.

burgersc12,

Why you sending memes to your kid’s third grade teacher? Also its “sh.it”

themeatbridge,

Teachers don’t like memes? Mostly I send them greentext.

Also, I stand corrected. It’s a good thing that period is in the middle, or people might figure out that it means “shit.”

burgersc12,

“Sh, it just works” doesn’t work for you?

Dirk,
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During the “critical phase” it was simply a lot more reliable than lemmy.ml with less downtime and faster response times so people switched to it. It also has a less strict policy on NSFW content - something that a lot of people want in their daily online time.

PlasterAnalyst,

It's a containment instance to keep the kids busy.

otter,

Funny, isn’t that how Facebook started? 🥲

willya,
@willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

Simply because people didn’t and still don’t understand how all of this works.

Rikj000,
@Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

You can’t blame people for the (sometimes) limited brainset they receive.

If it’s unclear to the majority, then it’s Lemmy which should aim to simplify the process of joining/explaining it to the general population.

Federated software is awesome, but sadly the recruiting process is still too difficult for many.

If it’s unclear which app to download / which instance to join, then that’s where a lot of registrations are being missed out on.

antik,
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👋

Rikj000,
@Rikj000@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Heya Antik :D

aaaa,

What do you think people are not understanding?

I wanted an account on a Lemmy instance, and Lemmy.world is one. Since then, I’ve been pleased with most of what the admins are doing with it.

And they haven’t gotten bored and abandoned the instance like a lot of the smaller ones have gone.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

On the other hand, I see a few times a week some people saying that they only browse communities on their instance because they don’t want to create accounts on every instance, and they cannot use their credentials on other instances.

willya,
@willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

This might be the number one thing I see often.

antik,
@antik@lemmy.world avatar

It’s one of the reasons why we set the default to ‘all’ instead of ‘local’ on LW

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Hello!

TrickDacy,

Yeah, I think lemmy gets glossed over a lot. Few actually understand it. Yesterday people were responding to some of my comments after I deleted them. I have no idea but I guess that means some instances don’t federate deletes or something?

InquisitiveApathy,

On top of the other comments, I’d also like to point out that it’s a little unfair to blame a brand new fediverse user for not understanding how it works.

I know I certainly didn’t understand how it worked with my first account, but you learn over time by using and interacting. You need to make an account first though to get to that point. Lemmy.world is a safe option for a new user who probably doesn’t understand the specifics of the decision of where to make an account.

willya,
@willya@lemmyf.uk avatar

I agree but I’m not trying to “blame” anybody. Get this sensitive bullshit talk out of here. Lemmy’s to blame overall, but it’s complicated.

paysrenttobirds,

I think choosing a large popular instance to store your account info, posts and comment history makes sense. Also, not having great info about how your credentials are handled on all of these different instances makes people tend to congregate under the idea that more users means better outcome for any grievances. Seems safer. What am I missing?

raptir,

I think there are two big reasons…

  • During the big Reddit exodus, a lot of people were recommending lemmy.world.
  • It’s a general purpose instance. People tend to flock to those rather than more specific topical instances.
Alaskaball,
@Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

Because it’s hipster reddit, making it twice as insufferable as normal reddit

DeathWearsANecktie,

I find Lemmy much more helpful and pleasant to use than Reddit. If that makes it hipster Reddit then I’m all for it!

otter,

Is this irony? If so, well done.

quarrk,

This is the other side of the iron curtain my friend

Alaskaball,
@Alaskaball@hexbear.net avatar

Ironic curtain

kelly

veroxii,

I consider Lemmy mostly performance art.

CanadaPlus,

And you were doing it before it was cool?

qaz,

I first joined lemmy.ml in 2020 but left because of its association with lemmygrad. Lemmy.world had good uptime, decent moderation (I never saw spam until last week), was largely uncontroversial (before blocking piracy at dbzer0), and was open when others closed their signups (that’s why Beehaw defederated).

However, things have mostly settled now, and we have multiple instances with capable staff, so you might wonder why the majority is still on Lemmy.world. I think the answer is simple, it’s still one of the standard recommendations, there is no large disadvantage to using lemmy.world over anything else and most importantly people can’t migrate their account to another instance after joining. I personally plan on continuing to use lemmy.world for the time being.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

people can’t migrate their account to another instance after joining

Just for reference, the recommended workaround to export the subs and block lists is github.com/CMahaff/lasim

qaz,

I’m aware of the workaround, but this is far from perfect. It does not redirect replies or comments as far as I’m aware.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

I had a look at how Mastodon does it, it’s not that much fancier to be honest, just a “The account has moved”, and following the new account needs to be done manually by followers.

Anyone viewing your profile can see this notice and will know to follow you at your new account. Following redirected accounts is not possible.

docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/

Edit: even the moving feature does not move the posts

Your posts will not be moved, due to technical limitations.

I’m not aware of any federated service where complete migration is possible, do you have any in mind?

qaz,

Your posts will not be moved, due to technical limitations.

I was not aware Mastodon didn’t actually move the posts, that is quite disappointing.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

To be fair, it has a lot of implications. Would your posts be reposted included the likes, reposts, replies, etc? The dependencies among this things can quickly get out of hand, especially in a federated context

TeaHands,
@TeaHands@lemmy.world avatar

Honestly it’s fine. I’ve moved a few times and the first time it was a bit sad, but once you realise it’s like five minutes later and you’re continuing the conversation you were having on your old account with all the same people on your new account the actual historical record suddenly seems a lot less important than the inherent coolness of what just happened :D

nix,
@nix@merv.news avatar

Your followers actually move automatically to the new account

MeowZedong,
@MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml avatar

No disadvantages? Idk, there is the whole disadvantage of .world being defederated from lemmygrad. :)

inverted_deflector,

Yeah before the reddit migration the top instances were lemmygrad and a far more stalinist friendly lemmy.ml . Beehaw was also there but beehaw didnt have open registration and the process also became bugged out around the time the expansion happened so people would write their application to join and get no notifications or anything that they were in. Also beehaw manually reviewed the accounts at the time so it was a slow process.

Other large instances also didnt want to become the largest one while .world wanted to grow at all costs. With open registration and didnt even require emails at first(which honestly reddit didnt either for a while, but reddit had better mod tools for its time)

Sensitivezombie,

I first joined lemmy.world during the exudus because it was the most recommended one. Soon after, dropped it and joined lemmy.zip. My reason was world’s uptime issue, going dark because of constant DDoS attacks (not their fault) and the last straw for me was the ban of piracy community. I love lemmy.zip, they don’t ban instances or communities unless it absolutely warrants in which case the mods reached out to members for vote. Another big reason I love zip is because the mods are very chill and don’t overstep. I haven’t had any technical issue with zip.

Omega_Haxors,

The DDoS attacks are totally their fault, as are the constant CSAM attacks, because those are the kinds of people they keep around. The only websites I’ve ever seen sustain multiple DDoS attacks are those run by admins who passively protect child abusers and nazis because they’re the kinds of thin-skinned crackers who will go nuclear on even the slightest of perceived inconvenience, or sometimes for no reason at all.

Outdoor_Catgirl,
@Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net avatar

Because the main general purpose instance(.ml)'s server was dying under the influx of redditoids

CanadaPlus, (edited )

I see waaay more complaints about Hexbear than Reddit refugees.

OurToothbrush,

A spectre is haunting lemmy, the spectre of good takes and being uncivil to bigots.

(Who have to run off and complain about how scary those hexbears are)

Omega_Haxors,

Yeah because liberals hate being called on their internalized fascism and would rather screech about ‘tankies’ than address it.

MeowZedong,
@MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Why would you leave a passive-aggressive comment about hexbear when the user made a legitimate point about the influx of redditors overloading .ml servers during the exodus?

CanadaPlus,

I didn’t read the point that way at all. They seemed to be implying that Reddit users scared people away from .ml and to .world. I have no personal issue with you guys from lemmygrad and hexbear, but a lot of people do since you can come across a bit abrasive. So, I thought that was a bit of an ironic thing to say.

MeowZedong,
@MeowZedong@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I think you misunderstood their comment? They’re saying the high number of active users coming from Reddit was too much for the computers to handle at the time, not that the Redditors themselves were scaring people away. The speed and downtime of the .ml instance at the time is what they are saying drove people to .world.

I remember world was a bit better at the time, but both instances were frequently struggling with performance after the third-party app ban.

CanadaPlus,

Oh, yeah, if that’s what they meant, I do remember that. The biggest struggle was that the software was itself a bit rough, as (admittedly) a refugee myself, which to the admin’s credit has gotten much better.

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