Is it just me, or has the BS with OpenAI shown that nobody in the AI space actually cares about "safeguarding AGI?"

Money wins, every time. They’re not concerned with accidentally destroying humanity with an out-of-control and dangerous AI who has decided “humans are the problem.” (I mean, that’s a little sci-fi anyway, an AGI couldn’t “infect” the entire internet as it currently exists.)

However, it’s very clear that the OpenAI board was correct about Sam Altman, with how quickly him and many employees bailed to join Microsoft directly. If he was so concerned with safeguarding AGI, why not spin up a new non-profit.

Oh, right, because that was just Public Relations horseshit to get his company a head-start in the AI space while fear-mongering about what is an unlikely doomsday scenario.


So, let’s review:

  1. The fear-mongering about AGI was always just that. How could an intelligence that requires massive amounts of CPU, RAM, and database storage even concievably able to leave the confines of its own computing environment? It’s not like it can “hop” onto a consumer computer with a fraction of the same CPU power and somehow still be able to compute at the same level. AI doesn’t have a “body” and even if it did, it could only affect the world as much as a single body could. All these fears about rogue AGI are total misunderstandings of how computing works.
  2. Sam Altman went for fear mongering to temper expectations and to make others fear pursuing AGI themselves. He always knew his end-goal was profit, but like all good modern CEOs, they have to position themselves as somehow caring about humanity when it is clear they could give a living flying fuck about anyone but themselves and how much money they make.
  3. Sam Altman talks shit about Elon Musk and how he “wants to save the world, but only if he’s the one who can save it.” I mean, he’s not wrong, but he’s also projecting a lot here. He’s exactly the fucking same, he claimed only he and his non-profit could “safeguard” AGI and here he’s going to work for a private company because hot damn he never actually gave a shit about safeguarding AGI to begin with. He’s a fucking shit slinging hypocrite of the highest order.
  4. Last, but certainly not least. Annie Altman, Sam Altman’s younger, lesser-known sister, has held for a long time that she was sexually abused by her brother. All of these rich people are all Jeffrey Epstein levels of fucked up, which is probably part of why the Epstein investigation got shoved under the rug. You’d think a company like Microsoft would already know this or vet this. They do know, they don’t care, and they’ll only give a shit if the news ends up making a stink about it. That’s how corporations work.

So do other Lemmings agree, or have other thoughts on this?


And one final point for the right-wing cranks: Not being able to make an LLM say fucked up racist things isn’t the kind of safeguarding they were ever talking about with AGI, so please stop conflating “safeguarding AGI” with “preventing abusive racist assholes from abusing our service.” They aren’t safeguarding AGI when they prevent you from making GPT-4 spit out racial slurs or other horrible nonsense. They’re safeguarding their service from loser ass chucklefucks like you.

tsonfeir,

Any space. Any place. Money wins.

TORFdot0,

AGI isn’t real

vzq,

You mean that physical objects cannot display human level intelligence? That’s obviously untrue, I have about seven billion counterexamples to show you.

mercury,

What? No. That’s clearly not what they meant. What???

echodot,

Well 3.5 billion. Since half of them display sub-human level intelligence.

vzq,

Ewwww. Super icky comment.

echodot,

I’m just having a bit of a go at you about the fact that you conflated AGI with human intelligence.

A good number of humans couldn’t think their way out of an unlock room.

LilB0kChoy,

Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that.

-George Carlin

echodot,

People take offence if you point in it out though

LilB0kChoy,

Maybe they’re just bad at math and don’t understand how averages work.

redcalcium,

Those are naturally conceived with some good ol’ fucking (or in vitro fertilization), not artificially created with thousands of GPU.

echodot,

Unless you can actually point to special magic consciousness dust that’s in human brains that doesn’t really make any difference.

Why does consciousness have to be organic based, after all there’s plenty of life on this planet that’s organic and has no consciousness, so can the inverse not be true.

intensely_human,

It doesn’t matter if anyone cares about the safety of AGI.

AGI is a direct source of power, much like any weapon. As soon as AGI exists, we will exist in a state of warfare due to the fact that the “big guns” will be out.

I know I’m having trouble articulating this point, but it’s very important to understand. AGI is like a nuclear weapon: once a person has it, it doesn’t matter how much others may want to regulate them. It’s just not possible to regulate.

The ONLY strategy that gives us hope of surviving AGI’s emergence without being enslaved is to spread AGI far and wide to ensure a multipolar AGI ecosystem, which will force AGI to learn prosocial interaction as a means of ensuring its own survival.

And if you want to come at me with “AGI doesn’t inherently have a self interest”, consider that the same is true of nuclear weapons. And yet nuclear weapons get their interests from their wielders. And the only way to stay safe from nuclear weapons is also to proliferate them far and wide so that there is a multipolar ecosystem of nuclear weapons, ensuring those holding nuclear weapons have to play nice to ensure their own survival.

All of this talk about restricting AGI will only have the effect of concentrating it in a few hands, leading to the very nightmare the regulators are trying to avoid.

If the regulators had succeeded, and the US had been the only nation to possess nuclear weapons in the long run, humanity would have suffered massively from that lack of parity. Let me be less coy: humanity would have suffered under the brutality of repeated nuclear holocausts as the interests of the few led to further and further justification of larger and larger strikes.

Nuclear weapons cannot be regulated by law. They can only be regulated by other nuclear weapons. Same is true of AGI.

KeenFlame,

Okay. It’s not only a weapon though.

intensely_human,

It doesn’t need to be only a weapon for any of this to apply. Same as nuclear fission.

KeenFlame,

“It doesn’t matter if anyone cares about the safety of agi”

It does matter. And it doesn’t apply because it’s not just a weapon. It matters how it acts towards humans ethically in so many ways other than indiscriminate slaughter

echodot,

Perhaps we should actually do some research and not use Hollywood movies as our reference?

redcalcium,

Once they saw the big stack of money, they suddenly forgot that OpenAI’s charter specifically mentioned preventing AI to benefits select fews and instead hands over everything to Microsoft on a silver platter.

remus989,

At this point I think it’s safe to assume that if a business is doing something, they’re doing it for money no matter what else they say. And while OpenAi is a ‘non-profit’ the board is made up of almost all business folks who are gonna behave the same way regardless of the venue.

June,

Oh yea. If fascism doesn’t kill us, AI will. We’re all fucked and we’ve known it since skynet entered the American psyche.

echodot,

I wish everyone would stop with this AI going to kill us thing. It is bad as claiming that the particle accelerator at CERN was going to create a black hole.

arthur,

Not now, not in the current state of machine learning. And also, I don’t think it would happen intentionally like the sci-fi scenarios. But I think the gray goo hypothesis very plausible if we reach some kind of true AI.

Which is not the case yet, LLMs are just autocomplete systems, very powerful for sure, but just that.

For now, the main concern should be economy and social disruptions caused by the use of such tools… And the current climatic apocalypse.

echodot,

Gray goose another bit Hollywood made up nonsense. It doesn’t matter how intelligent an artificial intelligence is it still has to abide by the laws of physics.

You cannot have exponentially increasing production without also having exponentially increasing energy requirements to sustain that production. Anyway converting the whole world into nanobots is like the least useful format for most of the materials to be in.

Anyway I don’t subscribe to the theory that just because an entity is more intelligent than us it will necessarily want to do anything bad to us. An AI is unlikely to become self-determining because it’s underlying programming will limit its capabilities.

The paperclip problem is possible (especially Facebook or Twitter are the ones to implement it), but skynet, no chance.

vzq, (edited )

They grey goo apocalypse already happened.

The whole planet is covered in self replicating machines.

jtk,
@jtk@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

AI isn’t the danger, it’s human application of “AI” that will be horrible as fuck.

TarquinNimrod,

It often seems to be… ‘Gee Brian, that’s a great invention! I wonder how we can kill people with it’, the thought having germinated in a slurry of greed and self interest. (Apologies for the slightly jaundiced view of our betters and elders, it comes with age.)

Omega_Haxors,

I think that ship sailed when ChatGPT dropped and a ton of journalists instantly lost their job. No need to speculate, it’s already happening.

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Everything was clear enough for people like me, when we knew every possible public service and API was being abused to scrape data for OpenAI LLMs. Shit was never “Open”, just like USA is not a democracy. Fucking shithole country with ultracapitalist leeches and the world’s best media propaganda machinery is what it is, and there are plenty of Sam Altmans, Zuckerbergs, Steve Jobses and Larry Pages in there, while real people like Steve Wozniac get sidelined.

Capitalists give 0 fucks about anything other than MOAR money. That includes innovation and tech advancement for our species. Only a socialist framework could give 2 hoots about such grand goals instead of resorting to leeching the public content makers for 0 pennies. Many artists, writers, musicians, programmers and other creative people will either stop working and stop making the public domain richer, or they will Patreon and copyright the hell out of everything they make, either way we lose because nobody got paid respect, and only LLM corpo leeches became rich.

Socsa,

MLs trying to pet a baby duck without America bad:

TheAnonymouseJoker,
@TheAnonymouseJoker@lemmy.ml avatar

Liberals (rightwingers in sheep clothing) trying to not shit on leftists for once challenge (impossible) (soul shattering)

Socsa,

?

sgtnasty,
@sgtnasty@lemmy.ml avatar

Lets be thankful we have commerce, buy more, buy more now and be happy… - Om

OrteilGenou,

Money is the catalyst to our own demise. By hook or by crook (ha!) greed and pride will crush us eventually unless extreme wealth is curtailed. The imaginary system of beans and shells that we arbitrarily follow is destroying us in fast motion.

AdrianTheFrog,
@AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world avatar

This should not be a surprise to anyone

thebardingreen,
@thebardingreen@lemmy.starlightkel.xyz avatar

Corporations gonna profiteer. Capitalists gonna exploit. “Visionary business leaders” gonna turn out to be dirt bags when you dig into them (Google Annie Altman).

And “we” keep falling for it and putting up with it en masse, unto our collective doom.

SnotFlickerman,

(Google Annie Altman).

Cue the “I didn’t even read your fucking post” guy.

I only had a whole ass paragraph dedicated to her.

Socsa,

I think it will be fine as long as we don’t give the AI thumbs.

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