why do lemmy users hate the use of emojis ?

I’m a heavy emoji user, texting is such a poor medium for communication, many times people get the wrong message, but with an emoji you’ll get an idea of the face I’m making, so less chance of misunderstanding

I noticed that every time I add an emoji to a comment it gets downvoted, so I tested my theory, wrote a comment without an emoji, got upvotes, went back and added an emoji, got downvotes…

On Reddit people use emojis a lot, on Lemmy I NEVER saw anyone use emojis, my account is new but still for the time I spent here, I never saw the use of emojis

So, is it just me, have you noticed this small detail ? and do you miss emojis the way I do ? 😭

buckykat,

Women tend to use emojis more, so redditors and by extension lemmitors hate emojis

UlyssesT,

You cracked the code. the-more-you-know

honeynut,

🤓 elitism

TheGalacticVoid,

I don’t hate all emojis. I do hate how the vast majority of people use them.

Back when I used Skype, I freaking loved all of them because the animations made it very clear what someone is trying to express in an easy to understand way (assuming everyone in a given chat had a similar culture).

Discord is a not-so-close second. I like a decent chunk of the emojis because they are super expressive while being simple. More importantly, custom emojis allow for incredibly unique ways of expressing ideas that only a small group will understand. It’s perfect for inside jokes.

In general, though? Emojis are so freaking bland and inoffensive. 90% of the time that they’re used, there’s literally 0 reason for them to be used. I don’t need a page full of pregnant people and 16 variations of a family because it’s nowhere near as effective as saying “I’m pregnant” or “I have 3 siblings.” Whoever makes Unicode/these emojis is so hell-bent on inclusivity that they often ignore what makes human inclusivity so important: personality.

As for the people that use them on the daily? The vast majority seem like a hivemind. On YouTube you will literally find pages of “bro [insert incredibly basic observation] 💀😭” in a single comment section. It’s one thing if it were a reference to something insane or unhinged like a copypasta, but it’s another when it’s a subconscious “can I copy your homework” over and over again. People overuse emojis in the same way that people type out “lmao” with a straight face in response to a meme. They’re used out of laziness so often that they’re becoming filler speech.

Anyways, thanks for coming to my TED talk.

UlyssesT,

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UlyssesT,

The vast majority seem like a hivemind.

Main Character Syndrome intensifies

adam_b,

Anyways, thanks for coming to my TED talk

👏👏👏

ExotiqueMatter,
@ExotiqueMatter@lemmygrad.ml avatar

As for the people that use them on the daily? The vast majority seem like a hivemind. On YouTube you will literally find pages of “bro [insert incredibly basic observation] 💀😭” in a single comment section. It’s one thing if it were a reference to something insane or unhinged like a copypasta, but it’s another when it’s a subconscious “can I copy your homework” over and over again. People overuse emojis in the same way that people type out “lmao” with a straight face in response to a meme. They’re used out of laziness so often that they’re becoming filler speech.

The irony of saying that and ending with

thanks for coming to my TED talk.

Everyone and their mother has made that joke at least once after writing a somewhat long text. You’re not any more original or any less of a “hivemind” than the peoples you’re talking about in this paragraph. You need to calm your ego.

TheGalacticVoid,

You need to calm your ego.

First, screw you for assuming it’s an ego thing. Second, I don’t entirely disagree with you.

Everyone and their mother has made that joke at least once after writing a somewhat long text. You’re not any more original or any less of a “hivemind” than the peoples you’re talking about in this paragraph.

There’s a reason why I made a distinction for “references.” I’ve been in communities that are literally dedicated to spamming the same thing verbatim, and I find them freaking hilarious. r/AnarchyChess was literally spamming “en passant,” “holy hell,” and “pipi” for months. r/tomorrow spams “Celeste, a hidden gem.” Hell, I still giggle every time I see a picture of a crewmate. Those are funny because they’re overused to the point where they’re absurd.

“Thanks for coming to my TED talk” is a much weaker version of that. I don’t see it used as a joke as much as I see it used as a phrase to indicate that a rant is over. I don’t see how it’s different from “Bob’s your uncle” or “pushing the needle forward.” All 3 of those phrases mean nothing to me when taken literally, but I (and probably most people) use those as synonyms for long and detailed explanations.

I don’t see how emojis can do the same in an effective manner outside of a few commonly used ones, and I don’t see how “bro [observation] 💀😭” can be considered absurd or can be changed enough to feel fresh or original. I’d literally be more okay if people repeated “bro [observation #1] 💀😭” because at least it feels like there is some joke or reference that I’m not getting.

SexMachineStalin,
@SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net avatar

Flashbacks of when liberal takes and western propaganda talkibg points were combatted with volumes of “pig poop balls”

bi_tux,
@bi_tux@lemmy.world avatar

Text emojis are fine with me, but I personally don’t like yellow spots on my clean black and white screen

notonReddit,

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ComradeLove,
@ComradeLove@hexbear.net avatar

Back in the day there was an advertisement for Infocom that said “A picture is worth a thousand words, we’d rather give you the thousand words”

adam_b,

Lol, but you’re on hexbear, you have the ultimate power of emojis ಥ_ಥ

UlyssesT,

ಥ_ಥ

That’s a wicked homebrew, though. I’m impressed. order-of-lenin

n8vos,

🤷

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

Using one emoji is fine. Using several, or repeating the same one over and over, is a sign of a demented mind.

megasteel32,

💀💀💀💀

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/52df2846-c40e-41d2-a103-2ba9dcc6de6e.png

megasteel32,

I love how reaction images are ok but emojis aren’t. ironic.

charonn0,
@charonn0@startrek.website avatar

https://startrek.website/pictrs/image/c8ee692f-a343-45a2-a3bf-7f98c415f614.jpeg

megasteel32,

wrong quote

Rhoeri,

Or a pre-teen.

nicolauz,

There is a difference?

Rhoeri,

Well… I’d rather be a pre-teen than a demented adult. I guess?

Cethin,

Alright, I don’t want to sound offensive, but maybe work on your punctuation. You need a lot more periods instead of commas. Maybe that has some relation to it? I don’t feel that adding emojis add anything, but especially when it’s poorly written I feel like the person either is lazy or doesn’t know what they’re writting.

Bazoogle,

Alright, I don’t want to sound offensive, but maybe work on not being so obtuse. You need to think about other people more. Maybe that has some relation to it? When a person really can’t stop and think about other people and why they might not have the most fluent internet posts, I feel like the other person is either lazy, or doesn’t know how to stop and think about how big the world is.

Of course, this applies to me. I don’t know who you are or what you’ve gone through, but I thought it would be a taste of your own medicine. People write in a lot of different ways than yours. And while there are a lot of correct and incorrect rules to English, there are not so many correct ways to communication. You (and I) type the way we were taught in English class. But just because someone else does not, does not make their typing wrong. It’s not like they’re going to get a grade for it. If you understood what they said, then it seems like a job well done.

And even if you CAN’T understand what they said or it doesn’t make sense, you shouldn’t assume someone is lazy. While English is the most spoken language, it is not the most spoken native language. Such a massive portion of English speakers have a non-English native language, and so so many are learning. Or maybe they aren’t learning, and that’s okay too. Or maybe they’re young. Maybe they’re developmentally disabled. Or maybe they just don’t want to think so hard on a stupid internet post. Whatever the reason, stop and think about all the possible reasons they typed like that. I’m sure you can come up with quite a few, and one of them might even be right.

Also:

especially when it’s poorly written I feel like the person either is lazy or doesn’t know what they’re writting.

writing*

Cethin,

There are plenty of reasons for them to type the way they did. I never said there wasn’t. I said it gives the appearance of something. It’s like they just typed whatever popped into their head without any consideration of how to convey it. Sure, I understood them, but it takes more effort than if it’s written better. It doesn’t need to be “proper” English, but presumably they’re writing for someone to read it, so the reading experience should be considered.

Emojis have their purpose. They’re there to convey emotion most of the time. They aren’t really used often to convey a concept or idea, because that’s too vague. Words are used for that. People who use emojis frequently in their posts generally are using it as a crutch that doesn’t actually help with understanding, instead it just works to add clutter.

Bazoogle,

I said it gives the appearance of something

You said you feel that people are either lazy or unknowledgeable based on how they write. I am saying that is an unsympathetic feeling to conclude based on someone’s writing.

It’s like they just typed whatever popped into their head without any consideration of how to convey it.

Your personal feeling is that this is a bad thing, I assume. I am challenging you to view it differently.

the reading experience should be considered

What about the writers experience? Why aren’t you considering them? My point is that everything you say about the writer in regards to their poor English, or thoughts not being fully fleshed out, can be interpreted differently than your initial view.

I didn’t comment on emoji use, but rather just the assumptions you made based on someone’s English. Though I understand why you mentioned it, since the thread is about Emoji use.

lightnsfw,

When people use emojis it makes me feel angry.

😠

adam_b,

I have mixed feelings about this reply ಠᴗಠ

Alexstarfire,

Will we like you when you’re angry?

ettyblatant,

You can’t have emojis just say what you feel!

Shard,

When people use emoji’s I’m just like 🤌

De_Narm,

I don’t like emojis and never used them on purpose, just a few times before I found a setting to prevent the auto-replacement function in other apps. I kinda prefer pure text, couldn’t tell you why. Maybe because they distract the eye too much. But for the same reason I dislike profile pictures, awards and gif/image reactions.

adam_b,

Makes sense, I hate Discord for this very reason, they have little animated emojis all over the UI, I know it depends on the server but every server goes for that look

I like eye candy but that’s too much, I like how Matrix has done it, they give you all the reactions and it stays away from text

De_Narm,

Yep, discord is an absolute eye sore. You go on any popular server and every major post is covered in animated rainbow barf - or super reactions as they call them.

Haven’t used Matrix, but profile pictures and gif/image reactions are find in chat apps when they are clearly seperated. It’s just a nightmare if you need to navigate through them on your limited screen space like on reddit or lemmy.

Gabu,

There are fewer “normies” using Lemmy, so you get less “normie behavior”.

adam_b,

define a “normie” ?

Gabu,

Average, run of the mill people with puddle-deep personalities as seen from the perspective of a niche.

toototabon,
@toototabon@lemmy.ml avatar

why are emojis normie behavior? 👁️👄👁️

Gabu,

Because that’s what normies do…

iraq_lobster,

people in Lemmy aren’t as retarded

mindbleach,

Reddit’s popularity came from simplicity. It was a breath of fresh air, after late-90s forum culture, with flat linear threads bloated by signatures and avatars and quotes and blaaah. Nevermind the nested replies - we were so glad to have discussions where the names and words were the only content because the names and words are all that matter.

Emojis fucking ruined that. Emojis make it impossible to have plain text, anymore. Even if we accept they belong in a writing system - can you write yellow? Are you doing multicolor smiley faces, ever? These ugly little fixed icons stick out, which makes people more likely notice them, which makes people more likely to use them. It’s a feedback loop that skews things back toward the bad old days of :laughing: :laughing: :smashwithhammer: :spork: (hr) [two paragraphs of boomer-ass one-liners]. On every fucking comment.

That revulsion carried over to lemmy because… it’s the same people. We’re here because the reddit corporation set its community on fire.

It’d matter a lot less if any browser or website ever defaulted to the symbols being black on white or vice-versa. Even then - there’s something deeply distasteful about dealing with people who mistake their facial expressions for a counterargument. I’d much rather be told to fuck off than have some brainless troll spit a bucktooth-and-glasses smiley face, and then do it over and over in the face of any effort to explain why that’s just garbage behavior. Concise, verbose, witty, blunt, dry, whimsical, doesn’t fucking matter. They’ve got their “okay, boomer” and they’re immune to words. One step above a toddler yelling “no!” at everything. A parasocial version, where other jackasses will come along and upvote them for doing it, while ha ha look at the other guy trying to have a conversation. Post the thought-terminating smug icon again. It’ll be even funnier the seventh time.

megasteel32,

old man yells at cloud

mindbleach,

Old man yells at font.

And trolls.

megasteel32,

buddy you just wasted 3 paragraphs whining about emojis cause it messes up your nostalgia for 90’s internet. the future is now old man, if you want plain text get on a fucking BBS. signed, someone born this century. get with the times.

Dempf,

If the color is what’s bothering you the most, there are black and white emoji fonts out there. For example, Noto Emoji.

I get where you’re coming from, and don’t entirely disagree, but at the same time I’m grateful to emojis for spurring interest in and adoption of Unicode. The situation a little over a decade ago was much different, with many devices supporting only ASCII. It was also so much more complicated to use a computer for multiple languages, with so many different encoding standards. Nowadays Unicode seems to work well for most languages. And users have come to expect support for it on whatever platform they’re using. Even if it’s true that some users only demand that support due to emojis, I certainly don’t want to go back to how things used to be.

mindbleach,

Unicode support is great - and necessary for a lot of stupid emoticons, as well. But even without emoji there’d be dumb shit like post titles in fancy fonts, or… usernames with each letter in a blue rectangle.

That kind of thing becomes an arms race for attention.

Reddit had a ton of problems, but it was a relief getting away from people spamming HTML gimmicks in titles and comments. That is a cultural issue more than a tech issue. The same stupidity is possible even just doing ALL CAPS YELLING. Emojis specifically get namedropped and rejected because of how egregiously they stand out, and the low-effort responses they innately encourage. Like if you had a second keyboard that could only type LOL, ROFL, LMAO, etc.

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