Americans of Lemmy, what is your approach to next year's election?

2020 was… truly unique. It was so hard to stay away from doom scrolling, and I (and many others) were pretty disillusioned by the sad fact that so much of our country legitimately supported the Orange Man. I didn’t get a wink of sleep the night of the election because I genuinely considered it to be a make or break decision for America.

My point is that looking back on it, in the end the only real difference I made was at the ballet box. This year I’m going for the Head-in-the-Sand approach. I’m done with the political memes. Done with the Twitter screenshots. It just riles me up and this year I’m gonna do my best to fight that.

s_i_m_s,

Voting by mail as usual.

Trying to avoid customers that can’t shut up about how wonderful trump is.

“I think he’s the antichrist but he’s doing a good job”

You know, bat shit insane things republicans say.

lolcatnip,

https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/ab1ef54f-9d6f-46a4-8277-2a47ab6e4a89.jpeg

ClockNimble,

Well, I’ve had to remove multiple people that used to just be right leaning for outright fascist statements and ideas in the last few months as they’ve deteriorated into hate speech and ethnic cleansing…so while I grew up conservative…yeah, I can’t support that shit.

Democrats are a mild improvement at best but at least they aren’t constantly being approved of by the KKK and being touted by mass shooters.

I’d like a proper left-leaning candidate, but with America’s history. They’ll end up assassinated.

the_third,

Your democrats are other countries conservatives, so you could make that choice without straying too far from your path.

ClockNimble,

Nah, I find being a humanitarian feels better and offers to help more people than conservatism.

You right, thiugh.

OprahsedCreature,

but at least they aren’t constantly being approved of by the KKK and being touted by mass shooters.

Just the IDF and Likud, which shares nothing in ideology or methodology with them.

ClockNimble,

Yeah… heavy sarcasm I’m loving the two terrorist groups slugging at each other right now. So good.

Du3K, (edited )

If I dont vote Biden, it’s a vote for Trump. If I dont vote Trump it’s a vote for Biden. cancels out.

Voting 3rd party is like voting for 3 people it seems, I’ll take advantage of that

AtmaJnana, (edited )

Same. I voted 3rd party last presidential election cycle and it was cool because according to partisans (and their “support my team or you love Satan”,) this means I also got to vote for Hillary and Trump at the same time! Separate people assured me of this several times, so it must be true. Isn’t democracy great?

In all seriousness, I’d like to see a moderate party run a candidate. “No Labels” Forward (the party that’s totally-not-a-party, founded by Andrew Yang) seems promising.

prunerye,

You mean the forward party? “No Labels” is something different.

Edit: No Labels do market themselves as “moderate” though. But from what I’ve seen, it’s more of a “corporations’ dystopian version of bipartisanship” moderate rather than “roughly middle-ground views of average Americans” moderate.

AtmaJnana,

shit, you’re right. I had the two confused.

Adkml,

Live in upstate new york so unless I throw my ballot at Biden so hard he dies my vote will have exactly zero effect on federal elections.

So voting for people who think public education is a positive and not communism in local elections where the differential is 12 votes and writing in Hunter Biden for president because it’s funny.

Pulptastic,

I remember 2016 going to bed with Hillary in a strong lead and waking up to a conman in office.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I was in a brewpub in Greensboro that night. They sold a lot of beer that night.

s_i_m_s,

Well she did win the popular by several million but it’s not like anyone actually cared what the people wanted.

The miles and miles of empty dirt’s vote was way more important for some reason.

IHadTwoCows,

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    BURN,

    Unfortunately that is the reality of American elections. First past the post means a 3rd party can effectively never win

    RenownedBalloonThief,

    Won’t stop me from voting PSL.

    votesocialist2024.com

    IHadTwoCows,

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    Bonskreeskreeskree,

    So everyone should keep voting for the 2 parties. They’ll eventually end it!

    BURN,

    Ignore all media, vote for whoever the democratic candidate is.

    I realized that all the election media just makes me angry, and I already know who I’m NOT voting for, so there’s really only one choice anyways.

    soviettaters,

    That is a very intelligent decision. I’m sure that every Democrat is the right choice!

    Jax,

    You were given the gift of speech and this is what you do with it.

    Fucks sake.

    Xtallll,
    @Xtallll@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Every Republican is the wrong choice.

    skybreaker,
    @skybreaker@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ll research the voting habits of the candidates and vote for whoever has proven they can vote for what they believe in and not just party lines. So, probably no one.

    For president, there’s no way I’m voting for the orange convict if he’s the candidate, which he probably will be because people that vote republican are morons. Unfortunately, based on where I live, my vote won’t matter. I’ll vote anyway.

    June,

    I don’t want someone that ‘votes their convictions 100%’ any more than I want a party hardliner. That’s just a different kid of zealot. I want people that lead with their convictions and then vote contextually with a willingness to change, grow, and adapt.

    dangblingus,

    Right, but pretending there’s any nuance in a 2 party system where one side is right of center and the other side is full blown proto-fascist is naive. There’s no version of history where the Republicans are all of a sudden creating an ecosystem where they support working class policy.

    June,

    Oh right, the person i described would never be a republican. Likely not a democrat either, but infinitely more likely to be.

    brutallyhonestcritic, (edited )

    Fuck everyone in the US Government except Rashida Motherfucking Tlaib.

    I’m going to write in Rashida Tlaib. It’s all bullshit. What is happening right now proves it. Even fucking Bernie Sanders sounds like a Warhawk right now.

    Ps. You’re all a bunch of lesser evil voting shitlibs. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.

    What did your harm reduction get us when we put Biden in office:

    • genocide with our tax money
    • cop city
    • stoking the Cold War and enthusiastically sending our tax money to interfere in another country’s business BECAUSE IT’S WHITE PEOPLE to enrich the Military Industrial Complex rather than helping US citizens
    • overturned Roe vs. Wade
    • no marijuana legalization (mark my words: until the primaries or GE next year when it will help Biden in the election)
    • Medicare for those who can afford it
    • austerity
    • austerity
    • more austerity
    Yondoza,

    I understand your frustration, but unless the voting system is modified to approval or ranked choice you are probably not acting in your best interest voting for a third party. I hate that fact as much as you and I want to see it changed, but that’s the reality of the system we’re in.

    brutallyhonestcritic,

    Literally ranked choice voting will never ever happen. We will always have First Past the Post and it will never change. This country is a sham democracy and I refuse to participate.

    criitz,

    That’s the great part, by not participating you help the worst of them!

    brutallyhonestcritic,

    Please explain to me what Biden and Trump would have done differently in the context of sending our tax money to turn Muslim people into hamburger.

    Bitrot,
    @Bitrot@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

    Trump would’ve loved to have troops on the ground helping our very brave allies in the IDF. Just like he wants troops on the ground in the US when people protest.

    TheAlbatross,

    I dunno if that holds up, though, either side needs votes to win.

    If both the Biden camp can claim not voting helps Trump and the Trump camp claim not voting helps Biden, I don’t think not voting helps either.

    Plus, your vote only matters in a swing state, otherwise it’s largely worthless.

    criitz,

    Obviously the statement can apply to either party. But the guy I replied to was praising Rep. Tlaib. For them, the alternative to not voting (or voting third party) would presumably be voting Biden, never Trump. So by not voting they are helping Trump.

    As far as non swing state voters having no power… Definitely true.

    MrVilliam,

    This country is a sham democracy and I refuse to participate.

    This is how they want you to feel. Republicans win by making people like you feel hopeless. The wins last week in OH, VA, and KY happened because young people turned out more than expected, and young voters skew more progressively. Like you, I’m frustrated too, but the Overton window will continue to shift right unless you put Democrats in at the general and vote progressive in primaries. That goes for the entire election all the way down to the lowest local elected office because that’s where people get their start. You’re right, we’re not getting ranked choice across the board within our lifetime, but some areas do use ranked choice and may help elect people who will push for it at the state level, and maybe one day federal. The same is true for enshrining abortion rights and legalizing marijuana, which pushed a little further last week. I know federal legalization won’t be here any time soon, but the first step is rescheduling from I to II or maybe even III, and that could be here within a year as a nice poll bump right before elections.

    A society grows great when old men plant trees in whose shade they shall never sit. By not voting, you’re allowing poison ivy to take root instead of a peach tree because you’d rather have an apple tree.

    If you really want to focus your time and energy into making a difference, check out Run For Something. If you don’t want to run yourself, you can support progressive candidates by donating or volunteering.

    PosadistPotatofish,

    This is the right answer. I’ll write her in too

    frauddogg,
    @frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml avatar

    I dunno. She’s still a dem at the end of the day. I need to see her shuck the label and start something new before I’d hitch my wagon to her horses.

    ThereRisesARedStar,

    The bourgeois elections are the least important part of politics

    JokeDeity,

    Cry most likely. Voting doesn’t seem very effective and it’s less so when the choices are conservative extremist or conservative light.

    corsicanguppy,

    Don’t vote for a perfect choice; vote for the best choice, and keep doing it. You’re not going to get ‘perfect’ right now, but excising actual cancer will improve the long-term health of the beast and enable even better choices in a few iterations.

    PowerCrazy,

    There are more then two choices on the ballot.

    rothaine,

    First Past the Post says “Sorry, but no”

    toastal,

    Not voting. Both parties suckle only at corporate teats. My domicile is in the reddest state so my vote doesn’t matter & it costs like $10–15 to mail in my ballot from abroad making it really not worth my time or money.

    They said vaccines for all Americans during COVID then someone had to come in & asterisk that that doesn’t include Americans abroad. You pay taxes but no services like Medicare are offered abroad & you’re one of the last on the list of priorities so feeling disillusioned is the normal.

    Metal_Zealot,
    @Metal_Zealot@lemmy.ml avatar

    Point and laugh

    micnd90,

    tell boss I’m gonna vote, take day off

    don’t vote, chill and eat ice cream at Coldstone

    blatantly lie to coworkers the next day, pretend that I voted

    gigachad

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