Atheists, is there anything religious that sticks with you to this day?

I am Ganesh, an Indian atheist and I don’t eat beef. It’s not like that I have a religious reason to do that, but after all those years seeing cows as peaceful animals and playing and growing up with them in a village, I doubt if I ever will be able to eat beef. I wasn’t raised very religious, I didn’t go to temple everyday and read Gita every evening unlike most muslims who are somewhat serious about their religion, my family has this watered down religion (which has it’s advantages).

But yeah, not eating beef is a moral issue I deal with. I mean, I don’t care that I don’t eat beef, but the fact that I eat pork and chicken but not beef seems to me to be weird. So, is there any religious practice that you guys follow to this day?

edit: I like religious music, religious temples (Churches, Gurudwara’s, Temples & Mosques in Iran), religious paintings and art sometimes. I know for a fact that the only art you could produce is those days was indeed religious and the greatest artists needed to make something religious to be funded, that we will never know what those artists would have produced in the absence of religion, but yeah, religious art is good nonetheless.

Blake,

I’m atheist and my parents raised me without any religion. The first time I learned anything about religion was at primary school where Christianity was taught as fact. I was really confused as to why I hadn’t heard of this “god” fellow before now, and I asked my parents about it, and they explained the general concept of religious belief to me, and said that I was free to believe whatever I choose, and I remember being frustrated that my mum wouldn’t directly answer me as to whether or not this stuff was real or not real, and kind of just settled on the idea that it was like they read the Chronicles of Narnia and believed Aslan was real, which was like, fine with me, but seemed a little silly. It was kind of funny to learn a bunch of religious stuff in retrospect - it was kind of like, “dang, this Jesus dude really does force himself into everything doesn’t he?” Easter is the funniest one, it’s such a stretch, they clearly had no idea how to make that one about Christianity and just kinda phoned it in.

So, the one “religious” thing I keep, is saying stuff like “oh my god”, “for god’s sake” and stuff like that, but for me, it doesn’t really mean anything to do with god. It’s just like an otherwise meaningless idiom that people say.

FUsername,
@FUsername@feddit.de avatar

I also only need “god” and especially “Jesus Christ” to avoid cursing when my kids go bonkers. To consider it an idiom exactly meets my view of it.

VentraSqwal,

“Jesus Christ” is just a fun expression, whether it’s yelling it while hitting your finger while hammering in a nail or under your breath watching your friend feed his lane opponent in League of Legends.

theshatterstone54,

I also consider it an idiom. Funnily enough, in Christian mythology, one of the “Commandments”, rules to follow, is to not use god’s name in vain. And then christians use the phrases like for gods sake, oh my god, etc, more than anyone else. Quite ironic, to be honest, and quite silly from my perspective.

wewbull,

They justify it as “God isn’t a name. It’s a job title.” Christians have pretty much forgotten the name of their god so they don’t use it in vain. Judaism and Islam still have the name Jehovah, Yahweh and Allah in use, all references to the same god.

IWantToFuckSpez,

Funny that your parents used Chronicles of Narnia as an example since it is literally an Christian allegory and Aslan is Jesus.

Blake,

I don’t think it’s as clear cut as to call it allegory, it’s definitely inspired though - and Aslan certainly is particularly like the holy trinity for sure.

ThatHermanoGuy,

Pretty fucked-up that your parents sent you to a religious school, and then didn’t even prepare you! Glad you made it out okay.

Blake,

I’m from Scotland, and when I was a kid, it was assumed that everyone was Christian. It was extremely uncommon to be raised atheist - all of my friends have Christian parents, pretty much, and every school was a religious school. It wasn’t too hardcore or anything. We had lots of religious lessons in class, the school got together twice a week to pray, read bible stories and sing hymns, and we recited the Lord’s Prayer before lunch each day. I wasn’t really interested in any of it but also I didn’t make a scene or ask to sit out or anything, and we were never forced to read from the bible or anything like that. I have read the bible, out of personal interest, but it was never expected from me.

High school was a bit similar but not as much - we had the school chaplain (priest who partnered with the school) show up once a fortnight (every 2 weeks) to deliver a sermon or religious lesson or whatever, and they were always good for a laugh. My favourite lesson of his was about how text speak (this was before smartphones, so we all typed on the 9-digit phone keypads stuff like “hey hru will u b going 2 skl 2mro” meaning “hey, how are you? Will you be going to school tomorrow?” was common) could be used with God as well - we could say “hf” to mean “Heavenly Father” and lol could mean “lots of love”. We got a kick out of that for a few weeks sending eachother ironic texts that we had meant to send to god but got the wrong number.

Wait, what was I talking about again?

SnokenKeekaGuard,
@SnokenKeekaGuard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I’d say monogamy, but that isn’t strictly religious. Sex outside of relationships ig (ik it’s not marriage but still).

stewie3128,

Hundreds of years ago, Christianity inspired some truly incredible music. Bach’s BWV 63 (especially the Gardiner recording) is a miracle.

Contemporary Christian music, though, is probably the falling domino that ultimately led to the realization that my Christianity was just tribalism. Modern American Christian “culture” has no redeeming value, other than its lucrative redemption for fiat currency.

I do love visiting cathedrals, though.

worfosaurus,

I think there is a lot of beautiful wisdom in the bible that sticks with me, but usually it only comes out when I (way more often that I’d like) hear someone who claims to be Christian acting in a way that is completely antithetical to what is in the bible.

all-knight-party,
all-knight-party avatar

I'd say I'm agnostic, but my parents also didn't force religion on me, my dad is Catholic, and my mom is Thai Buddhist, and I view the Buddhist ideology to strive for being satisfied without material as an honorable goal. I feel as if I believe that attaining that mindset really is nirvana, and I don't think you need to be particularly religious to think that's possible.

Subject6051,

do atheists give you slack for being agnostic? I have seen many memes on the internet bashing agnostics (quite funny tbh), so asking

The Imperial Japanese ruined Buddhism for me.

all-knight-party,
all-knight-party avatar

To be honest, after high school it just either doesn't seem like most people I know my age are very religious at all either way, or otherwise it doesn't come up.

I haven't had anyone give me shit for it, personally, I don't take offense to online meme bashing, everybody gets it

PeachMan,
@PeachMan@lemmy.one avatar

One of the perks of being agnostic is that you don’t have to tell people you’re agnostic. When others ask me about my religion, I just shrug and say I was raised Christian but I’m not really religious anymore. I don’t mention that I’m agnostic unless they pry and ask more questions.

shadysus,

atheists give you slack for being agnostic

I find that to be really odd behavior tbh. One of the issues with organized religion is when a group shuns or hates on someone for their religious/ spiritual views. That’s also something that can happen with atheism, even if it’s not really seen as a “religion”.

Just be accepting of other people

TheWoozy,

Off topic: I’m old & out of the loop. Is this a new meaning for “give slack”? It seems opposite of what my understanding. To me it means giving leeway, or latitude, or freedom. To give someone slack was to give some freedom or forgiveness. A metaphor of lengthening a dog’s leash.

Feddyteddy,

You’re not alone, that’s what giving or cutting someone some slack means to me as well. I hadn’t considered that maybe this was a sign of me aging.

shadysus,

I’m not sure if slack has a new meaning, but it might be one of those misspellings where the person really means “flack”

“To give flack” fits the context here

handofdumb,

Sup, Ganesh! I’m HandOfDumb :) This is a neat question you’ve asked and I’m stoked to see more answers.

I was raised in Catholicism, though my family has, largely, stopped following that specific religion so closely (though many are still religious). I don’t follow any specific religion and am unsure what I consider myself - atheist fits well enough!

Somethings that stick for me are many of the kindnesses that live within bible stories. There’s a lot of good stuff in there, of course! And most of (what I consider to be) the good stuff is along the lines of being a good person. But some of it is kinda off-beat.

Like, there’s a bit in there about a proclamation that people should forgive debts after some seemingly arbitrary amount of time (seven years?) and that really jibed with me. Not the time part, but just forgiving pals/family you might have loaned money to. If I spot a friend $5 for something, I’m not going to hold it against them and ask them to repay. If they do repay? Great! But I will never expect it and I will not be offended if they do not.

Similarly with larger sums. If I’m okay to loan it to someone, I’m okay to lose it.

Anyhoo, I think it’s awesome that you like cows :) they remind me of big ol’ dogs and I like them very much. They can teach us more than they can fill our bellies, I think!

NuPNuA,

This seem to work on an assumption that people have a religion before becoming athiest/agnostic. I never did. My birth certificate says Church of England as that’s the default here unless your parents ask for something else. However they never took me to church or raised me in a religious manner, I had an entirely secular upbringing so there’s no elements of Religon to hang onto.

kenoh,
@kenoh@lemm.ee avatar

Exmormon here, going on 20 years now. Don’t miss pretty much anything from it except some of the music. Ignore the Republican-looking motherfuckers here and enjoy this: youtu.be/WwYm_mKQ3Gs

charlytune,
@charlytune@mander.xyz avatar

The Osmonds were Mormons weren’t they, which I guess makes this banger a Mormon choon:

youtu.be/iXcj8dFOd1E?feature=shared

kenoh,
@kenoh@lemm.ee avatar

Yep! Imagine Dragons is also kind of Mormon, but has very much butt heads with the church on their LGBTQ stance.

AssPennies,

For me it’s funeral potatoes, or half the desert dishes from various potlucks that would happen in the chapel gym.

Jokes on them though, all those recipes are posted online now! Don’t need a temple recommend for that shit lol.

kenoh,
@kenoh@lemm.ee avatar

Yeah, even though I went on a mission and have tons of family from Utah/AZ/Nevada/Cali, I’m on the East Coast so a lot of LDS culture like that didn’t sink in. I would honestly probably participate in ex-mo stuff more if I had to deal with it on a daily basis, but I’m fine mostly pretending it doesn’t exist!

Setarkus,

For a moment I was worried that “funeral potatoes” was some euphemism for something there that I couldn’t identify

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar

You may be thinking of soaking.

meyotch,

Only true friends will jump-hump for you.

Setarkus,

What’s that?

ivanafterall,
@ivanafterall@kbin.social avatar
Setarkus,

Just seeing urban dictionary in the link makes me worry

Edit: Welp, I actually recognize this. And now this will stay in my mind in a funeral-potatoes-context

meyotch,

Oh, hie, Kolob!

kenoh,
@kenoh@lemm.ee avatar

KLOLob!

31415926535,

I went to old school, pre second Vatican council Latin masses. On our knees on other days in dusty, stone walled rooms, heads down, everyone quietly counting rosary beads. Had to wear veil over head to enter church because women’s bare heads weren’t fit for the eyes of god. Large cathedrals, Latin chanting bouncing echoes off walls. Hunky jesus nailed to cross behind gaudy altar, his loincloth sculpted so teasingly low.

No longer believe in god, but damn, the theatrical pomp was next class, probably influenced work I do as an artist, and why I like bdsm so much.

PP_BOY_,
@PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

I’m not saying that every BDSM partner I’ve been with has been a former Catholic, but I will say that every former Catholic I’ve been with has been into BDSM…

IonAddis,
@IonAddis@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah, there’s a reason horror films and fantasy universes often base their stuff on Catholic trappings.

Like, when was the last time some horror flick brought in, I dunno, Baptists or Mormons or Lutherans to deal with the exorcism of a demon?

No, you bring in the Roman Catholic Priest, or MAYBE the Eastern Orthodox Priest, he’s MUCH cooler and has rituals and robes and everything.

The theater and singing in the Catholic tradition is generally top-notch, and it’s one thing I miss about being Catholic. They know how to tap into artistic showmanship in a way other religions seem to have purposefully shed.

…I sometimes wonder how much of the metal community is ex-Catholic. It has the same theatrical flare.

neptune,

This is probably slightly tangential, but after leaving a very dogmatic, Christian upbringing, I dabbled in the New Atheist Thing but have since come to realize religion and belief is on a two dimensional axes.

On the first axis, you have dogma, or a core set of beliefs or religious doctrine. High or low dogma. Your classic fundamentalists of any stripe are over here. Evangelical Christians, fundamentalist Islam. And yes even some strains of atheism can be relatively high dogma. On the lower end of the dogma scale you have agnostics, many atheists, some types of new age spirituality, and even some types of organized religion like Unitarianism or Buddhism.

On the second axis is humanism, or the relishing and participation in people, culture and acceptance of people or ideas that do not conform to the doctrine. High on the humanism scale would be literal secular humanists, and other faiths that prioritize people more than dogma.

Eventually, someone raised in a high dogma/low humanism religion might eventually learn there are some faiths that are relatively high humanism, even with a low or relatively high dogma score.

Thanks for coming to my Ted Talk.

ThatHermanoGuy,

It sounds like you don’t understand what atheist or agnostic actually mean.

neptune,

Yes an atheist believes there is basically no evidence there is a God while an agnostic believes it’s an unknowable or unanswerable questions.

The issue is if an atheist adheres to some dogma (eg all religious people are bad and dogmatic, people who don’t read the same books are ignorant) then it becomes a relatively high dogmatic belief system, for that person.

CannotSleep420,
@CannotSleep420@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I haven’t believed in Catholicism for over 10 years and I still believe I deserve to be tortured so badly it’s beyond human comprehension for eternity.

Subject6051,

You left Catholicism, Catholicism didn’t leave you :")

booty,
@booty@hexbear.net avatar

But yeah, not eating beef is a moral issue I deal with. I mean, I don’t care that I don’t eat beef, but the fact that I eat pork and chicken but not beef seems to me to be weird. So, is there any religious practice that you guys follow to this day?

No more half measures walter

go vegan

Subject6051,

go vegan

nah I love meat! Can’t live without it. I thought I would eat factory manufactured meat, but that sounds like just a bunch of fucking chemicals bunched into one. I thought they would just grow meat like in the lab, but no. Pretty misleading ads out there.

booty,
@booty@hexbear.net avatar

Can’t live without it

Yes you can.

Subject6051,

don’t worry, we indians eat the lower meat per capita in the world. I don’t eat meat once a week, it’s more like, once every month

Iraglassceiling,
@Iraglassceiling@hexbear.net avatar

Fyi the Hexbear code says if you don’t want to have this debate you just need to say “disengage” and the person is supposed to respect your boundary.

I don’t know if people know that or not.

Saeculum,

Not the person you were replying to, but thanks for the tip. Is this code collated together somewhere?

kristina,

i think hammurabi wrote it

RTRedreovic,

Highlighting this just because I happened to scroll down and came across this. Everything that constitutes matter is considered Chemical. The “X has lots of Chemicals while our product Y is chemical free” is a pseudo-scientific marketting tactic that Naturopaths and Ayurveds commonly use, at least from the Indian Context as I live here. Other than that, have whatever you desire. A person only has one life after all.

shockwave,

Its true eating meat is nice, but it's terrible for the environment. At least consider eating less meet. You are lucky - there are many very tasty vegetarian Hindu meals.

Subject6051,

slurrp.com/…/why-india-has-the-worlds-lowest-meat…

Amen to very tasty vegetarian Indian meals! We have a shit ton of those and they make life worth living. Also, as I mentioned, I eat meat once/twice every month so it’s not that big of a dent on the environment. Also, I live a life devoid of luxuries which westerners take for granted, pretty sure my carbon footprint is comparitively low

jack55555,

Respect to you.

And yes Indian vegetarian food is awesome, and so diverse, because all of the regions all have their unique cuisine.

Subject6051,

thank you very much!

Africanprince99,

I think you mean farming is terrible for the environment.

Blake,

I love meat! Can’t live without it.

Sure you can! Everyone who goes vegan or vegetarian manages to do it, and so can you!

And nobody goes vegan or vegetarian does it because they dislike the taste of meat - it’s because of the same reasons you wrote about the cows - it’s because we see animals as creatures which do not deserve to suffer just for our pleasure.

Everything you mentioned about why you don’t want to eat cows is just as true for all the other animals. Chickens are really friendly, playful and affectionate little guys! Pigs are smart and sweet, and have their own personalities.

Saeculum,

All food is just a bunch of chemicals bunched into one.

I know what you mean though, and while, as far as I know, some manufactured meat is actually just grown in a lab, there’s a lot of stuff needed to keep cell cultures alive outside of a body that I wouldn’t really want to eat or have around my food, so it’ll be something to watch out for when it’s widely available.

Still morally and environmentally better though, in most cases.

funkajunk,
@funkajunk@lemm.ee avatar

Put your cock away, Waltuh.

Subject6051,

slurrp.com/…/why-india-has-the-worlds-lowest-meat…

Also, I am not having as much effect on the environment by eating meat. I eat once or max twice every month. Not every day like some americans (soap opera americans)

machiabelly,
@machiabelly@hexbear.net avatar

The american expectation is to have meat with every meal. Bacon/sausage with breakfast, ham sandwich with lunch, then a roast or steaks for dinner.

Americans will literally view a plate of food without meat as a snack. Like, its not a meal unless there is meat. Meat is very inexpensive here because soy and corn are heavily subsidized. All animal products are roughly half the price of what they would be without the subsidies.

Kahlenar,

Catholic guilt. My parents were atheists when they had me, but still instilled guilt in me so hard it hurts to this day.

Comment105,

How? Did they send you to Catholic school and/or convert to Catholicism after they had you?

aaaaaaadjsf,
@aaaaaaadjsf@hexbear.net avatar

As an atheist that was raised as an evangelical Christian, probably using the Lord’s name in vain interestingly enough. Like going “thank God/Jesus” when something good happens, “oh God/lord” when shit hits the fan, and using Christ’s name as a swear word. I know it’s supposed to a sin in the Christian religion, but it’s the one thing I still do.

Outdoor_Catgirl,
@Outdoor_Catgirl@hexbear.net avatar

Same.

init, (edited )

Not to be that guy, but “using the Lord’s name in vain” has been misinterpreted and misapplied by Christianity as a whole for a very, very long time. “Using the Lord name in vain” is not saying “goddamit”, or “Jesus Christ, thats Jason Bourne”, but instead by saying you are Christian, or a follower of Christ’s teachings, and being indistinguishable from non-christians in the way one acts, speaks, thinks, dresses, etc,.

Does this mean that cursing as described above is bad? Maybe, and maybe not–it depends on your convictions.

One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord, for they give thanks to God; and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. -Romans 14:5-6

Back when the Torah and minor prophets were written, taking someone’s name was to become their relative or kin. Even by the time Jesus came into the picture, it was still a common thing to take the name of a family to were adopted into, or to a land you moved to. Therefore, taking the Lord’s name in vain" should be more accurately described as calling oneself a Christian, and then not living as one. This is endemic in Christianity–our divorce rates are practically indistinguishable for secular society, premarital sex, cheating–not to mention, we have a huge problem with covering up pedophiles, spousal abuse, child abuse, the list goes on. I believe God knows this, and Jesus even spoke to it when he was on earth.

Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. -Matthew 7:21

So, basically, I think God cares about the important stuff, like not acting like a hypocrite while labeling oneself one of his believers–not the inane stuff like saying “goddamnit”. But, if someone believes firmly that saying swearwords containing God’s name in it is also a sin, then by all means, that is treated and will be judged as a sin for that person.

And if we want to get technical, Lord, Jesus Christ, and God are not his names. Even names the Christian god is known by, such as El, El Shaddai, Yeshua, Messiah, Jah, Jahova, and possibly Yahweh (YHWH, but we don’t know for sure because Jewish scholars never recorded his name to prevent anyone from uttering it) are actually descriptors of who he is. El “The Lord”, El Shaddai “The Lord will cover”, Yeshua (actual name of Jesus, but not the name of God), Jah (first letter of the tetragrammaton “YHWH” ), Jahovah “The Lord will provide”. Technically, it is impossible to use the Lord’s name in vain if using his name in vain is defined as simply using it as a swear word or part of a curse because his name has been lost to history.

Sorry, that’s way more information than I intended.

EDIT: And I also want to make sure I make it abundantly clear that this is simply my interpretation of things, based upon my own experience growing up in a Baptist church, and seeing all the hypocrisy there and in my own parents lives (where both were abusive in their own ways). I’m not really what anyone would call a practicing Christian because I don’t attend church, tithe, or vote “prolife”. Organized religion in its current form, is in my opinion, a perversion of what God intended. But this is just my opinion.

ThisIsAManWhoKnowsHowToGling,

You just voiced all of my frustrations with so many Christians. I’m going to save this.

twice_twotimes,

This is a really cool take. I’ve never heard that interpretation of “taking the lord’s name” but I like it a lot. Do you know anywhere I can read more about that idea or the history of the phrase?

init,

The first time “taking the Lord’s name in vain” was written in the bible is Exodus 20:7, and is echoed again in Deuteronomy 5:11.

“Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.”

The original Hebrew text and word used for the word “vain” in Exodus 20:7 is “Shav” according to Strong’s Concordance. This word specifically means:

shav; from the same as (related word) in the sense of desolating; evil (as destructive), lit. (ruin) or more. (espec. guile), fig. idolatry (as false, subj.) uselessness (as deceptive, obj.; also adv. in vain):–false (-ly), lie, lying, vain, vanity.

Strong’s Concordance - ISBN 0-7852-1195-0

As defined above, “using the Lords Name in vain” has more to do with lying, guile, idolatry (believing in a god other than than the “one true god”, which could be believing in a version of God inaccurate of who He is because you like your own version better), uselessness, and being false. I would very much define saying one identifying as Christian, yet not living and acting like one as the ultimate exercise in uselessness and hypocrisy.

The Strong’s Concordance has every word in the King James Version exhaustively identified with definitions of each. It is how theologians that aren’t actually fluent in Greek or Hebrew can break apart a verse to find the true meaning that has been lost to dialect, translation, and the time. If you’re interested, I would highly recommend finding one, or even downloading it.`

Here is a blog post that hits most of what I mentioned, and also has a few more things to consider.

One interesting thing of note is that, according to Leviticus 19:12, Christians are commanded to not bring shame upon their God by using him to swear falsely.

“Do not bring shame on the name of your God by using it to swear falsely. I am the LORD." -Leviticus 19:12

This implies that there are ways and times where it may actually be appropriate to use the Lord’s name, or your association to him as a Christian, to swear if something is true. However, Jesus recommends or commands in the New Testament that no one swear by anything, either by God or anything else, and to let only your “yes be yes, and your no be no” lest one brings judgement upon themselves.

"But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one” -Matthew 5:37

And here is one more final thing to think about. In Christianity, God is perfect and without sin. If he were to sin in any way, by definition he would fall under the law of death, as death is the punishment for sin. Jesus, as an aspect of God, was also blameless and without sin. Many also believe the Bible to be the literal or interpreted word of God, such that any changes throughout time were foreseen and anticipated. I have my own views on this, but for the sake of my argument, we must assume the entire scripture to be God-breathed. If God cannot sin, and the bible must therefore be truthful, then how did God swear by using his own name, if swearing by his own name is sinful?

"For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself” -Hebrews 6:13

Therefore, either God sinned by using his own name in vain and cannot be god, God sinned by lying about it in the literal word of God in Scripture, or swearing by using the name of God or its derivatives is not inherently sinful, and the intent or veracity is what is judged.

The_Jewish_Cuban,
@The_Jewish_Cuban@hexbear.net avatar

For me it’s my like for religious Christmas music.

Fukled,

I celebrate Christmas for my children so they don’t miss out. Does that count? I’m also very routine. I do the same thing the same way, every day. That might tie in to rituals? Hell if I know.

Kissaki,
@Kissaki@feddit.de avatar

Rituals don’t have to be religious or related to religion. Daily regular, repeating activities are rituals - even without any link to a religion.

Does your Christmas have a direct relation to Christianity? It can be celebrated as a social and societal construct, possibly with imagery and rituals, with or without actual intention and relation to the religion.

Personally, I don’t think I’ve ever experienced Christmas as a celebration of god and Christ in the direct and factual sense. Thinking back, we had the stories of birth and my mother even tried some singing with us. I don’t think I’ve ever taken the stories for fact though. It’s a setting, a story, a celebratory setup. (But I wonder if that may be back-looking reinterpretation with a changed mindset. It certainly wasn’t something that stuck over time and after early childhood.)

supercriticalcheese,

That’s pretty much why these traditions are there, just like people don’t actually believe in Santa similarly you don’t have to believe in Jesus to enjoy a winter holiday/break and excuse to see friends and family

flubba86,

Christmas was a Roman holiday called Saturnalia before the Christians reappropriated it.

I don’t place any relious meaning on Christmas, but I celebrate it because humans have been celebrating roughly the same event at roughly the same time every year for over 2000 years.

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