ram,
@ram@lemmy.ramram.ink avatar

It really depends on what you mean? It’s a purposely, nearly obtusely, intangible concept. I’m not unwilling to talk about it if I get a proper definition, but my opinion would be a mere opinion formed from the facts I have on hand. I have some suppositions that are outside the realm of what science has been able to dig in to, but without actually factual backing, I also acknowledge that my ideas are conjecture that line up with how I perceive the world.

interdimensionalmeme,

The ephemeral pattern of personhood or consciousness that appears to animate animals and that disappears when they die

ram,
@ram@lemmy.ramram.ink avatar

What does consciousness mean on a material level? Do you just mean the brain? The brain does exist, yes.

interdimensionalmeme,

Like the difference between a computer and the software running on it

ram,
@ram@lemmy.ramram.ink avatar

I mean, ya, if that’s how you wanna define a soul, I’ll say that exists.

As for the more common definitions which tend to extend to moving that software around and that software moving to the cloud in the case of a system failure, I have no reason to believe the brain has wifi, gps, or satellite functionality.

But if we simply describe it as “the software on the brain”, I hold no objection and can comfortably say it exists.

vis4valentine,
@vis4valentine@lemmy.ml avatar

No. Souls dont exist.

vis4valentine,
@vis4valentine@lemmy.ml avatar

No. Souls dont exist.

haych,
@haych@lemmy.one avatar

No.

pancakes,
@pancakes@sh.itjust.works avatar

I believe in our consciousness giving us unique personalities and the ability to make complex decisions. Anything past that doesn’t make sense to me, and goes against all logic or understanding we have of the universe.

downtide,

I think I’ll remain agnostic on that one. Ask me again in 50 years and I’ll probably know the answer by then. Unless I happen to somehow reach the age of 106 without dying, in which case I’ll take a raincheck.

morgan_423, (edited )
@morgan_423@lemmy.world avatar

Something I take some comfort in is that regardless of what your soul does upon death in the short term (whether it’s an afterlife of some sort that we don’t understand, a nihilistic void of nothingness, reincarnation as the soul attaches to a newly created body somewhere else in the world… whatever, no one alive truly knows or could ever know), science believes in a sort of reincarnation.

Where eventually as step one, everything that ever was ends up in black holes, and those black holes eventually decay until the universe is nothing but a uniform background of unchanging radiation, referred to as the heat death of the universe (because nothing can really physically change on macroscopic scales anymore, in order to convert energy into new heat).

And then, after ridiculously long time periods, quantum fluctuations cause the machinery of the universe to start back up again, everything re-forms, and eventually our universe ends up back where it started at the beginning of your life.

So it’s possible that you will live again, and again, and again, forever, just with no ability to remember how it went down last time. And an incredibly long wait between lifetimes (though, to be fair, if death is a nihilistic void for each person, that wait is only going to feel like two seconds and bam, you’re right back in the womb).

So if nothing else, at least there’s that.

Kissaki,
@Kissaki@feddit.de avatar

That's still "you" when no molecule was left of you?

morgan_423,
@morgan_423@lemmy.world avatar

It’s still an exact arrangement of matter that’s identical to your original configuration. So one would think that all the properties arising from it (such as consciousness) would be the same. So it’s You Part 2 (or Part two quintillion, there’s really no way to know which loop we’re on).

Kissaki,
@Kissaki@feddit.de avatar

I'd consider that identical, but not the same

JesusTheCarpenter,

No

fratermus,
@fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

If we mean “consciousness that can exist separate from the body”, then no.

Edit:

By soul I meant a part of consciousness that makes us more than mere collections of atoms, not necessarily an immortal entity capable of afterlife/reincarnation.

Oh. Yes, consciousness itself is some kind of strange emergent order that appears to be more than just the sum of all our atoms.

CaptainBuddha,

I would call myself an agnostic, and I suppose I believe in a soul… In that they are a (potentially inaccurate) way of describing the singularity of oneself.

We contain something which has conscious thoughts, and awareness of “itself” while existing. I suppose that would be a soul, no? We can remember and have individual lives with isolated moments no one else will ever know. Are those memories really only random creases in our brain? Do the feelings and deeper experiences for you wash away as nothing alongside the mechanics of those memories? What makes us… well, us?

I like to think the soul is just that, the part of ourselves that is truly unique, and can only fully be witnessed internally. The part of you that is only ever going to fully exist in the here and now, while still recalling the there and then. That which gives us the full breadth of emotion tied to deeper thought, and hopefully some understanding. That, at least, is a miraculous thing to get to experience… spiritually or not.

The immutability of a soul is a different question, one which we’ll get an answer to after the physical living stops.

scrubbles,
@scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

Best answer here. Soul is more of a high level concept, I’m not a spiritual person by any means, but say there was a fully conscious AI, I would say there is a difference between that and human consciousness, and that would be what I define as the soul. What is that, is that neurons in the head or is that an amalgamation of our entire being? Idk.

I don’t believe anything happens after death, I think ashes to ashes, but I do think there is a spark, something there that we can’t quite quantify… yet.

CaptainBuddha,

Worded even more succinctly than my rambling did! It’s a loaded question, one that has a lot of answers that may all be wrong for what we currently know.

Blamemeta,

Im agnostic, and kinda yeah. When my grandpa died, i was there when they pulled the plug, and i could’ve swore that something left the body.

Spacebar,
@Spacebar@lemmy.world avatar

I was raised Roman Catholic.

A soul is a concept to make death less scary.

All life is an organic computer. When something dies, the computer is off, never to be rebooted again. That’s ok though.

fratermus,
@fratermus@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

A soul is a concept to make death less scary.

Or more scary, if one doesn’t do as one is told.

CowboyBobo,

I kinda do but I believe that a soul is just what drives a person in their lifetime. It is made up of their thoughts, emotions, and experiences. After a person dies their soul goes too and that’s the end of it.

Kolanaki,
@Kolanaki@yiffit.net avatar

I don’t believe it, but I some times wonder if some kind of self is preserved as energy within the universe somehow. Effectively being a soul, but in a sense of physics more than spirituality. Much like how the physical body will decay and return to the earth, the energy that makes up consciousness could simply return to the universe.

CookieJarObserver,
@CookieJarObserver@sh.itjust.works avatar

Im Egoist, so technically atheist, there are none until proven otherwise.

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