How does everyone feel about Google Pixel phones?

Previously on Lemmy:

Past Discussions:

Sorry for the delay for the weekly. Server’s not that stable right now, maybe we should start the thread on Sundays instead.

I always like to switch things up once in a while because it’s fun. So, let’s get back to the brand discussion this week for the Google Pixel. We’ll do a discussion on repairability next week. Again, ideas are always welcome here.

I’ve never used a Pixel, but people around here should know that I’ve been very critical of Google’s product decisions over the years, and the Pixel is no exception. In my point of view, discontinuing the Nexus series, buying out the talents from the remains of HTC and starting an official “made by Google” phone is the equivalent of reddit buying out Alien Blue to make the official reddit app. I think it’s the event that scared big Android manufacturers like Samsung enough to start making their own ecosystem away from Google, as they are concerned that Google may start locking software features to their own phones instead of improving Android overall (rightfully so, I might add).

It really makes no business sense at all to turn your manufacturing partners into your competitors, but then again, it’s Google.

With that being said, the first years of the Pixels has been marred with growing pains. Whereas the Nexus line has always been barebones, no frills development devices, it seemed to me that the people who made Pixels don’t even use Android and are insistent on turning Pixel into iPhones, removing the headphone jack on the Pixel 2 despite the antagonistic ad from the original Pixel, Pixel exclusive software features like Google camera that necessitating the need of rom mods, as well as the quality issues that seems to be inherited from the Nexus days just really soured me from considering Pixels, as I think it’s against the spirit of openness that made Android great.

But it seems like in recent years, they finally figured out that a large percentage of people who bought Androids not because they can’t afford iPhones, but because they like Android, and I see the introduction of the “a” series as progress. The recent Pixel ad campaign also made me think that they finally figuring it out: people want different things, trying to turn Android into worse versions of iPhones was not going to work, so they should be trying to make the best Android for Android users instead.

(It’s also the reason I think all the previous reddit clones failed, but Lemmy will be the one that finally succeeds.)

Yoz,

Tbh stop buying phones if you dont really need it. My Redmi phone hasn’t given me a signal issue in the past 6 years. Still going strong.

MystikIncarnate,

I moved from HTC to Nexus, and stuck with Nexus until it died, then picked up a pixel and never looked back. Pixel is what I buy/use, and it’s not been an issue for me, which is why I keep going back.

From Nexus: I owned the Nexus 4, 5, 6 (I still have this one), 7 LTE tablet, and 5X. On the pixel line, the pixel “1”, 4, and now 7. Haven’t owned a pixel “a” series. I skipped the pixel 5, since the processor was significantly less powerful than the 4, despite being a newer chip, and I skipped the 6, because it was the first gen tensor, and I wanted it to prove itself. Early pixel days didn’t see a lot of improvement IMO between pixel 1/2/3, so I stuck with the 1, mainly because of the RAM: pixel 4 was the first pixel to have more than 4GB RAM… (It had 6). I would have jumped from the P4 about a year after getting it, simply due to it not having a fingerprint reader, and the pandemic (specifically masks) making it impossible to use the face id or whatever they called it, but I didn’t want to lose performance with the lower powered chip in the 5, and my 4 was good enough to not wager on whether the first tensor had any major hardware defects… So I’m on the 7 now, and I’m pretty happy.

I miss the fingerprint reader being on the back. I’ve found ways around the headphone jack problem: I have two devices for this… A combo headphone jack/changing cable dongle, and a fiio BTR 5 (though other BTR units from fiio will work similarly), which allows me to use wired headphones over bt, while charging my phone and Bluetooth device (fiio), allowing for a near infinite amount of time where I can use my phone with headphones if I choose.

I’m not big on the optical fingerprint reader, but it’s better than the face id stuff on the 4, so I guess I’m happier overall.

My key factors for using and keeping with pixel are pretty basic: prior to me going Nexus/pixel, to remove the bs added to my phone (like it shipping with FB apps), I would need to load custom ROMs which was a massive pita. I enjoyed the custom ROMs, mainly the AOSP versions. I wanted clean, no frills android with Google services (which I use extensively). Everything else I could obtain from the Android app store, aka the play store. For the most part, the Nexus/pixel was the only device I could get that kind of thing going right out of the box, pretty much everything else would require a custom ROM. That’s the root of why I switched and what keeps me on pixel. I know others have stepped up in this regard, but not many. I’ve already had success with pixel and to me, the historical experience with pixel keeps me coming back because so far, they’ve had what I want and nothing that I don’t want. If that changes, I’ll probably start considering other options.

As long as Google is using the pixel as a dev platform, bringing new features to pixel first, and eventually allowing third parties to use those features, I’m ok with what they’re doing. Some get abandoned long before they get that far, and I understand that, but there’s now a short list of features that the pixel has that other phones may never get where those features seem to be pixel exclusive, which is where my support of Google on this, starts to waiver.

Tensor had proven itself to be a decent platform, and the features of tensor, which are above and beyond the base RISC instructions, should be made available in some way to other manufacturing partners. Like having a tensor specific processing core that can be paired with a different ARM CPU to provide similar functionality to the full tensor CPU… Like a coprocessor. The AI benefits to the Google camera, et al, being made available to third parties.

Instead of going with the Microsoft model, offering first party devices, but continuing to support all features on all devices, they’re trending more towards the Apple model, where you use our hardware, or get fucked. Which, I’m not a fan of… Many industries are taking that page from Apple and honestly IMO, it’s anti-consumer activity. John Deere comes to mind…

I don’t think Google is too far gone in this respect, not yet, they can choose to open things up for third parties as time goes on.

Build quality, at least on the devices I’ve owned has been good. Not excellent but good. Few, if any issues, and support is generally good. I’m happy for the most part. I don’t subscribe to the brand wars, and I’ll happily jump ship if that changes. For now, I don’t have significant cause for concern.

I’ll continue with pixel for a while and see how it goes. I’m constantly evaluating my stance to see if there’s sufficient reason to consider other options. I almost got to that point over the headphone jack, but everyone else seemingly followed suit, and once I found a workable solution, I didn’t really care anymore. Bluntly, with the headphone issue, unless a device can charge, and allow the phone to charge, while you’re actively using it, it’s not a solution; having to stop listening/enjoying content while waiting for your pixel buds (or airpods, or whatever) to charge in their case… that’s not a replacement for a headphone jack, since you can enjoy content with a headphone jack indefinitely while charging your phone. So unless it can satisfy the original use case, it’s not a good solution. I have the wired charge/listen dongle for any situation where bt isn’t viable (like a high RF noise environment, or any time bt needs to be off, like a plane, though many allow bt to be on now), and the fiio for everything else. If I have to choose either headphones or charging, I’m going to find another way.

I have bt headphones that won’t play and charge, but I almost always have either the fiio or dongle with a set of IEMs as a backup. I use my phone for entertainment often enough that this can be a deal breaker for me.

That’s just me POV. I like the line, for now, and if things change, that may change. I don’t have any negative feelings towards new features being pixel only while they’re still being tested and proven, as long as they eventually end up in everyone’s hands in whatever form that takes.

southernwolf,
@southernwolf@pawb.social avatar

I love my Pixel 6 Pro! I run a De-Googled ROM (CalyxOS) on mine, but even with that, basically every Pixel feature still works as expected. Google Camera is fantastic (doubly so on CalyxOS since I can firewall it from the internet), the AI features in the photos app works exactly as expected (and firewalled too), the camera itself is fantastic as well. Beautiful screen, great speakers, absolutely wonderful and beautiful form factor for a phone.

Only real complaint is battery life isn’t the best it could be, compared to the top-tier iphones or Samsung Galaxy devices, but it’s hardly “terrible” either, as some have made it out to seem. It does seem like running a De-Googled ROM may help that some (and I’ve had fewer bug issues than it seems stock Pixel Android users have dealt with, which is weird given CalyxOS is built on AOSP).

Overall though, I love my Pixel 6 Pro and absolutely intend to stick with it well into the future, and likely consider another Pixel when the time comes.

JimBean,

Thanks for the heads up about the AI features on GP. Just ordered my Pixel 6 Pro last night and I’ll flash CalyxOS on it straight away. Well… after trying GrapheneOS and maybe ProtonAOSP. Any reason you went for CalyxOS over those?

The only things that annoy me about it are the 6.7" screen compared to the 5.9" of my Zenfone 9 and lack of headphone jack, but Asus is done for now they’ve done away with bootloader unlocking… Have you tried using wired headphones with it, if so how’s the quality?

southernwolf,
@southernwolf@pawb.social avatar

Yeah, I chose CalyxOS over Graphene because it seems to me that CalyxOS focuses a lot more on usability (thanks to it’s MicroG support) than Graphene does. Graphene has likely improved on that front thanks to their sandboxing GSF approach, but it used to be slower to open apps and overall a bit less snappy due to the security features it enables. Plus, the team behind CalyxOS is fantastic, great guys who believe in what they are doing. Meanwhile, the leader of GrapheneOS is a bit… Psychotic, although he did recently step down after Louis Rossman called him out.

For ProtonAOSP, that’s basic just stock android. However, I’m unaware of it comes with either MicroG or Google Services installed. If it doesn’t, then you’re gonna have to figure out how to get support for apps either by flashing MicroG along with it, or be stuck with Foss app only. If it comes with Google Services, then it’s basically no different than stock Pixel Android at that point, which you might as well stick with to gain the full benefit of the Pixel device.

JimBean,

Thank you for the very informative reply! I love Calyx, used it on my OnePlus 8T briefly while they were testing support for it and now it’s running on my (smashed to shit) 4a.

Think I’ll definitely flash it on my P6P as soon as it gets here, thanks to what you and others have said.

The video was very informative, I’d heard about the project leader but never realised just how much of a cry baby he is… Not for me. I listened to an interview with Nick Merrill and really liked the guy’s values.

ProtonAOSP lets you install microG as an unprivileged app, but with signature spoofing. I like that approach, but the location services in Calyx are a bit too useful. Thanks again!

southernwolf,
@southernwolf@pawb.social avatar

Yeah, Nick Merrill is an awesome guy, and I really like what he’s done with CalyxOS as well. Community is great too, if you need any help, just ask and someone will definitely be able to help out.

JimBean,

Cheers to that mate.

ecoboy,

Still using the 3A and it’s still OK. I’m a fan of Pixel phones (used Nexus phones before that), and I usually use them until they stop working, then I buy the latest model. I think I still have a year with this one.

algorithmae,

I’ve had my 4a 5g for 2 years now and have no issues with it. Uninstalled some of the G stuff I don’t need, and with Greenify it lasts two full days with moderate usage. Would probably be even better with a custom ROM, but I go the other way and keep it stock android 11 with updates turned off. Rock stable with no frustrating unexpected changes, I went like 180 days without needing a reboot

Has a headphone jack and a decent camera, which are must-haves for me. I’m probably going to be keeping it for another 2-4 years like I did my last phone (LG G5) until it starts falling apart or becoming unreliable

WillyWonksters,

Bootloader unlocked, while persevering access to hardware security features by 3rd party operating systems like GrapheneOS.

They also provide 5 years of security updates for new devices.

Nothing else competes.

jessoteric,

I have a P7P. I really like it, my only issue is the SoC being a little slow! But for most usage you don’t really notice.

knyuqlr,

I had Nexus and Pixel phones.and absolutely adored them through my Pixel 4a. Then one day, I was using my 4a, the screen turned off and never turned on again, ever. It just stopped working on its own suddenly, for no reason. Reached out to Google Support and had zero recourse because I had had it for a bit over a year. Now I’m never trusting Google devices again.

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

Quality control issues Is what Google has always struggled with.

knotthatone,

I absolutely loved the Nexus line, but I’m on my third Pixel and they’ve been mostly excellent aside from a couple of nitpicks. I had the 2XL, 4a5g & 6 Pro so far. I will likely get the Pixel 8 Pro after that’s released. Aside from the name (why!?!?!!?), the 4a5g was just about perfect.

My 6 Pro has been mostly great, but a little sensitive to overheating in direct sunlight and it chews through battery on 5g. Hopefully the 8 improves on those two things. And has a flat screen, as is rumored.

Mako_Bunny,

The camera in the 7 Pro was unmatched but the battery life is just shit in my opinion. Everything else worked fine, not the most powerful device though, didn’t run games very well.

Link69,
@Link69@lemmy.world avatar

Great idea, meh execution

decimeter,

I spent quite a while in the Nexus/Pixel line, mostly on the "a" series once they started with those, and I was always very happy with them. I didn't encounter any significant issues over the years, so I can't speak to any of the troubles others have had; if I hadn't decided to try a foldable when the Galaxy Fold 4 came out, I'd probably still be on the Pixel train.

got2best,

Curious what device are you using right now op?

MargotRobbie,
@MargotRobbie@lemmy.world avatar

I use a Moto Edge to post here.

nullPointer,

been a pixel user since they were called nexus. about as minimal bloat as you can get without going FOSS.

currently still on a 3a as it still gets the job done. I use my old nexus6 with FOSS as a basic handheld around the house. smart thermostat, sprinkler controller, throw YouTube up on the TV, etc.

Aasikki,

I love that the pixel extra features are useful instead of stupid gimmicks like some manufacturers have.

chickenfish,
@chickenfish@lemmy.world avatar

Current Device: Pixel 7 Pro Previous: Galaxy S4, LGG4, S8, S10e.
Got the Pixel because there was a sale plus a really good trade value on the s10e

It’s fine.
Im not a heavy phone user. Im not doing a whole lot of gaming or videos or developing or whatever power users do, and it suits my needs. There are a few things I miss from Samsung, but overall the UI is fine and the battery is normally loads better than anything Ive had in a couple of years.

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