pineapplelover,

Yes, but if you put graphene on a pixel it’s miles beyond an iphone

mindlight,

Congratulations to you and the other 0.000000001% of Android users then.

Collatz_problem,

0.000000001%

This implies the existence of 100 billion Android users, that is roughly 13 times the number of people alive.

pineapplelover,

I would like to think that the percentage of users who have grapheneOS is maybe 5% of the pixel population. I’m just pulling a number out of my ass right now but basically a lot of people who want the very best privacy and security go for graphene which is limited to only Pixels even though there are more cool phones like the fp5.

gunpachi,
@gunpachi@lemmings.world avatar

There are some people who use other roms like Lineage without the google apps. It’s not as good as Graphene but it’s better than the OEM version that comes with the phones.

Avero,

Lineage is by far the most popular custom ROM and it has about 3.2 million active devices. Which is about nothing in comparison to 1.22 billion smartphones sold alone in 2022. Barely anyone uses third party ROMs.

Etterra,

Oh irony, thy name is Apple.

spiderkle,
@spiderkle@lemmy.ca avatar

TL;DR: the slide is from 2013, everybody calm your pants.

Auzy,

I used to sell apple gear at a reseller. They literally used to send messages to our customers for applecare.

The difference is that Apple simply uses the data for it’s own benefit and competes against everyone (including people developing for their system)

miss_brainfart,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

Apple simply uses the data for it’s own benefit

So… like Google

Auzy,

Definitely not saying Google is any better.

But don’t forget, Apple gets billions of dollars from Google too, to be default webpage… So they’re totally complicit, and in practice, they’re effectively selling your user data to google.

The biggest issue with Apple has always been their dodgy marketing. 20 years ago, they were living off the incorrect claim that “MacOS can’t get Viruses”, and now, seems to be just as dodgy with privacy.

miss_brainfart,
@miss_brainfart@lemmy.ml avatar

At the end of the day, being as big as they are makes both of them malicious, manipulative and exploitative per default, otherwise they wouldn’t be multi-billion or even trillion dollar companies in the first place.

JiveTurkey,

Google+?

runner_g,

Slide is from 2013, per the article

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

was this old (the google logo is the old one so i’m not sure) or was apple just uninformed?

you can have all sorts of multiple accounts in the control panel, mail and calendar all have on device log ons, you can update apps outside of the app store or use the google play store with your google account the same way you do with your apple account.

skuzz,

Given how they operate internally at the engineering level, probably just Apple being uninformed. The internal culture is total brainwash. Apple tech is the only tech. It is partly why they genuinely think they created technologies. They never stick their head out of the fruit to see what the world around them has, and they have a habit of buy, cheat, or steal to ensure their monopoly continues.

Maybe an interesting sociological experiment? How technology evolves in a cult versus outside the cult back in the real world?

Snowplow8861,

Five words into the article says

Apple’s internal presentation from 2013

Literally at the top under TL;DR

Zuberi,
@Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Dang you’re so helpful :)

Flax_vert,

That’s an old Google logo

WindowsEnjoyer,

Apple has been donwgraded to an asswipe. Android != Android.

mojo,

Closed source is always privacy invasive by default.

UlyssesT,
JWBananas,
@JWBananas@startrek.website avatar

Clearly this was before Apple became one of the largest advertising companies.

chemicalwonka,
@chemicalwonka@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Hypocrites!

somegadgetguy,

2021 - Apple collects more types of data than Google www.tomsguide.com/…/android-ios-data-collection

2021 - Apple Do Not Track basically a placebo button techdirt.com/…/apples-do-not-track-button-is-priv…

2022 - Apple tracking you despite your privacy settings gizmodo.com/apple-iphone-analytics-tracking-even-…

2023 - All the Data Apple Tracks on You (Privacy guides amount to roughly 70,000 words of legalese) www.wired.com/…/apple-privacy-data-collection/

2023 - MAC address “filtering” has basically been broken since launch zdnet.com/…/iphone-users-who-dont-want-to-be-trac…

Apple still links services like device bricking to the Find My network. If your iphone is stolen, and you don’t want someone to reset it to use or sell, you HAVE to submit your location data to be a part of the tracker network. Disabling that, Apple sends users a scary nag email that their device is no longer protected.

adam_b,

I love how you took the time to write the years and title of the event… 😁😆😊🤍

Wish there was a website or a wiki that document all this, these companies are basically using philosophical fallacies as a marketing strategy at this point

flipht,

100%. Most business is just advanced sophistry at this point. Marketing and advertising serves a useful purpose for new products, when the market isn't aware that it exists.

But by quantity and cost, most advertising is just social manipulation and is effectively an extra drain on the economy.

danielfgom,
@danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

Juan, YOU are the man! 💪

Plus people forget that if they use iCloud Apple can also see all your data in the same way Google can if you use a Google account

Rexios,

They can see your encrypted data. What’s the issue with that?

danielfgom,
@danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

Only to say it’s the same with Google. The data is also encrypted. So they want to point the finger and say how much Google collects, but so do they.

MrSpArkle,

Not exactly true. If you enable “Advanced Data Protection” not even apple can look at your data (with the exception of data which has to be interoperable like calendars and mail)

support.apple.com/en-us/HT202303

Rexios,

Apple already can’t look at most of your data. Advanced Data Protection makes it so they can’t see any of it.

danielfgom,
@danielfgom@lemmy.world avatar

I’m sure the Google is also encrypting the data with the exception of the interoperable data. So there’s no difference. Why point fingers when Apple do the same?

Apple also know your browsing history. They also know your app usage. They also store your contacts, calendar, photos - just like Google. I don’t see the difference.

skuzz,

And that’s just the last three years!

MigratingtoLemmy, (edited )

Lol at DoJ just releasing it, thanks I suppose.

Lol at Apple trying to wiggle its way into everything trying to fool people that they are privacy champs and everyone else using Android is a chump. I have no doubt in my mind that Apple has terabytes of data on every user. And Google maps can be used without signing in, making their argument a moot point

nova_ad_vitum,

It is worth remembering incentives though. Apple is primarily a hardware company. Most of their revenue comes from iPhones. Google is primarily an ad company that makes money selling ads, and your data.

This obviously doesn’t make Apple a privacy champion , but it should be considered. Apple is at least theoretically in a position to push for the privacy of their users, while Google is not.

drdiddlybadger,
@drdiddlybadger@pawb.social avatar

Apple is also trying to expand is advertising division. It might be nessecary to force companies like this to split but I doubt we will ever get such regulation.

MigratingtoLemmy,

Apple also makes a fair bit of money from its software services such as the Apple subscriptions, which are massive wells of data. I do not find it strange that they care about harvesting data from their users. Every company who offers software services does the same thing.

mojo,

Apple is a huge software company, what are you talking about lol

Auli,

Google doesn’t sell shit. They sell and target ads. If they sold your data why would people come to them to purchase ads? What advantage would they have?

kokesh,
@kokesh@lemmy.world avatar

One damn iPhone in my home network makes most calls home out of anything in my home network. I cn see it in AdGuard Home log.

PeWu,

I also can see this on router with Gargoyle firmware

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