alt textA sign saying: “MEN TEND TO CHOOSE HIGH PAYING PROFESSIONS - LIKE DOCTOR, ENGINEER, CEO, ETC., WHILE WOMEN NATURALLY GO TOWARD LOWER PAYING CAREERS - LIKE FEMALE DOCTOR, FEMALE ENGINEER, AND FEMALE CEO.”
It’s not complicated but it’s also not sexism. When women begin entering a job market the supply of labor suddenly doubles but the demand stays the same there for the price of that labor goes down.
It’s also a stupid excuse for wages going down to begin with. Especially since we know that we are currently in a labour shortage which according to capitalist supply and demand theory should have immediately caused wages to increase, and I don’t think the shortage is gender specific.
This has to be bait, there is plenty of work that can be done and lots of research to do and plenty of cash to go around. Its the overwhelming greed from the richest people in the world that hold their wealth instead of letting it flow in the economy. Its disgusting how pay is currently is and you should be ashamed for thinking we are hitting some supply limit instead of other major factors at play that are strangling people’s ability to have liveable fair wages.
I’ll bite. I’ve observed that there are very few male receptionists, less barbers compared to hairdressers, more female retail workers than male. I’ve also observed the are more male trades and construction workers by a large margin. If we can agree that men and women are equally intelligent, we should also be able to acknowledge that men are stronger physically on average than women. This has direct implications for work in its most basic sense, men can do more physical work than women - men and women have equal intelligence. There is still a imbalance which if things are fair should be represented in more income for men. It’s basically impossible for male and female incomes to be exactly equal unless there was some intentional bias to balance the numbers which would be unfair in itself.
And to a lesser degree men tend to avoid highly women centric workplaces, either due to toxic masculinity (nurses, anything to do with sewing and so on) or just not having other people whom they can relate to easier.
everyone with half a brain will agree that a lot of gender norms assigned to both men and women can be incredibly toxic. toxic masculinity just tends to be louder
I’m not arguing with your point at all, which is a good one, but this one hits me kind of funny. In Coast Guard aviation, the Rescue Swimmers (the guys who jump out of helicopters to save people, are in incredible shape, etc) have two main jobs when they aren’t actively flying: work out, and sew. Their shops have several industrial sewing machines in them, and they are excellent with them. You rank up and need new patches on your uniforms? Leave them in the swimmer shop with a six-pack, they’ll get done better than any shop you might take them to. A lot of the survival gear gets made or repaired by them, so they have to be good.
So it’s just funny that the most hardcore, masculine men (and women) in the Coast Guard all sew for a living.
It’s also worth noting that careers like teaching were once highly respected and well-paying fields dominated by men. However, once women became more dominant in the field, the career as a whole lost both respect and pay essentially overnight. Nothing about the job itself changed, only the dominant gender.
It’s honestly disgusting that people still try to defend this misogyny as some kind of physiological thing.
The pay gap discussion doesn’t only revolve around some work being compensated less than other work (retail vs some office job). The main issue, as far as I’m informed, lies in the same work being compensated differently solely based on gender.
Another point considering work that is better performed by men. We may call for fair wages taking the different output into account. But at least a discussion should be had on whether we want that (equality vs equity).
That last picture isn’t liberation, they’re now in the field of play and are therefore the shittiest outfielders I’ve ever seen. Setting aside not being in uniforms, they’re all like 20 feet from 2nd base and so tightly clustered there’s effectively no coverage in LF or RF. A line drive anywhere but dead center scores a runner on first in the best case scenario, more likely an easy inside-the-parker. If I was their skipper they’d be running drills till the sun came up.
Sounds awesome. I’d be happy to stay at home, throw the dishwasher on and ready the bbq for when the mrs gets home. Women by and large got screwed over by economists and the elite. They saw a portion of the population who could increase gdp so they put them to work and made them think being chained to a 9-5 job is liberating. If women want to swap so men can experience the horrors of a lifetime ago so men “can’t” work and we can still have a two story and 2 cars, be my guest and start building skyscrapers and bricklaying while I drop the kids off to school and free up 7 hours of my day. And yes physiological difference warrant differences in pay. It’s basic physics. Men on average can produce more physical output than women. More output should mean more pay for those who do it, women can do this work if they are physically capable but on average they aren’t. This is confined to physical jobs. This will keep shifting and will probably phase out when automation and robotics take over this work but until then there is phisical work that needs to be done and men are better suited on average. If you don’t believe me watch the olympics. Or are they sexist now too?
If that’s how you really think what about the bullshit privelidge of women doing sex work. Men don’t earn any where near the same amount. Do you know why? Because they don’t have the as much to offer. Same logic as physical jobs for men.
NB: While barbers mostly work with men’s hair, and stylists mostly work with women’s, the jobs themselves are not gendered-- Lots of female barbers and male stylists. Some of the most famous stylists, like Vidal Sassoon for example, are male. Famous barbers are less of a thing, but on the total other end of the spectrum, the barber college in my area has a pretty even gender balance.
Trans men aren’t more accepted or tolerated, a huge portion of the fear mongering about trans youth is about “cutting off healthy breasts” and “ruining their fertility.” Literally just look at the cover of Irreparable Damage.
I’m trying to not be a dick here but this is a fairly large point of trauma for me: what do you imagine happens when a trans man shows up in a doctor’s office, possibly without a legal name change, almost certainly marked as female in their system? Because I can assure you it’s not that you get totally respected and treated as a normal dude.
Trans men are threatening to patriarchy by virtue of being “women” who do not stay in their place.
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