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z3n0x, to technology in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral
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positively surprised by general news coverage of this whole thing

Realtrain,

It kind of makes sense. Reddit is one of the most visited websites in the world. It has more DAUs than Twitter.

silicon_reverie,
@silicon_reverie@kbin.social avatar

To be fair, much of the modern news cycle comes from Reddit. When I worked as a tech journalist years ago, we had half a dozen bots watching relevant subs and alerting us to breaking news. We'd clean it up, fact-check, call sources for comment, and do all the "journalistic" stuff you'd expect, just like with any other story, but Reddit was absolutely part of our workflow. You've got to look for news wherever the news is happening, be that a press release, a leak on twitter, or a convo on Reddit, and frequently it happened to be Reddit.

These days you even have tictokers cutting out the middleman and straight-up reading r/AmITheAsshole posts over Minecraft footage for views. Is it any surprise that news sites are commenting on their content firehose being turned off?

mo_ztt, to technology in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral
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Another relevant quote from the article:

There is nothing special about Reddit except its community and the content the community created. Its software is trivial. Unless Reddit reverses course, Reddit will join Digg, MySpace, and LiveJournal in the dustbin of social network history, and a new site, such as the user-funded Beehaw, or an old one, such as Digg, will take its place.

I would actually revise that to "Its software is trivial, and in some respects notably lacking."

MajorMajormajormajor, to technology in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral

Oh no... anyways.

fubo, to technology in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral

It's literally not "Reddit's content". Says so in the user agreement:

You retain any ownership rights you have in Your Content, but you grant Reddit the following license to use that Content [...]

renrenPDX,

Why not post the whole sub-section:
5. Your Content
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fubo,

I didn't post it all because (1) it's long and most of it isn't directly pertinent, and (2) this is the Web, we have hyperlinks. :)

Gamers_Mate,

By that logic I guess he will have to start paying redditors for their content.

Usernameblankface,
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I mean, it's only fair.

TWeaK,

They really should be paying, all of these data companies should. No other business gets away with not paying for the materials they use to make their product. You can't build and sell a car without paying for the nuts and bolts.

Data companies like Facebook and Google keep telling us the data we give them has no value, yet they use that data they collect for free and sell for pure profit to become some of the wealthiest businesses in the world.

brownbreadboy, to RedditMigration in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral

What article?

Mereo,

Click on the title. It links to ZDNet's article.

Steeve, to news in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral

Facebook was "in a death spiral" when their stock hit 80 bucks, it's tripled since and just had their highest DAU. I don't think Reddit is going anywhere any time soon.

arquebus_x, to news in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral

I hope not. Actions should have consequences.

inkican, (edited ) to news in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral

Let’s understand that Reddit has spent over a decade enjoying its status as a world-leading platform while kicking the ‘we’ll figure out how to monetize later’ can down the road. Along the way, some important social questions have arrived and Reddit is still failing to show leadership in this matter. Let me explain:

Those that say Reddit ‘will continue on’ aren’t looking at the situation through the lens of history. At its core, ‘Reddit is a rare social product that has seemed to become more relevant over time, as a growing user base comes to appreciate its distinctive, human-centered approach to digital conversations.’ A digital third place, built on mutually-shared beliefs and principals of digital altruismReddit existed to Give People Voices – aiming to create a safe space for all viewpoints.

So that’s what Reddit is supposed to do as a ‘platform.’ What about Reddit as a ‘company?’ Sadly, boardroom shenanigans have pursued Reddit throughout its entire lifecycle. Reddit lost the public-spirited people like Aaron Swartz, and gained trolls, hate groups, and the soap opera that was the Ellen Pao debacle. As Will Durant said: ‘A great civilization is not conquered from without, until it has destroyed itself from within.’

Actions this year by Reddit have pushed it much farther down the path of ‘less user-oriented.’ Worse, public statements and private actions by the company leave nothing to doubt when it comes to their intentions. “We’ll continue to be profit-driven until profits arrive,” Steve Huffman the CEO of Reddit, wrote in a recent AMA.

Spez' decisions have ripped the guts out of Reddit's understood social identity and community intent. Those public statements and private actions by the company I mentioned earlier? They aren’t there to make Reddit a more human-centered place. Monetizing API use won’t increase Reddit’s stature as a ‘a safe space for all viewpoints.’ Like when managers decided to launch the Challenger space shuttle, “the concerns about the O-rings that ultimately led to the explosion were buried in a vast sea of thousands of other decisions … leading up to the ill-fated launch.”

Risks don’t rely on your perspective for existence. “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away,” as Philip K. Dick famously said. This recent Reddit move to monetize APIs creates major cracks in its foundations of digital altruism and human-centered behavior. As I said last year with Twitter: “Twitter has every chance to prove to us that it can be a safe, responsible place for us to interact with our readers if they want to. In the meantime, it’s getting too weird around here. I’m mustering at the life boat station now, in case we must abandon ship.”

Originally posted here

Jezebelley, to news in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral
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“In danger of”? Oh honey it’s already there.

wave_walnut, to news in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral
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Creators have worked to create Reddit. Those creativities are actually important rather than the survival of Reddit as a platform. Another platforms would been created any time if they enjoy creating.

mem_somerville_kbin, to news in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral
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Reddit is becoming an unusable garbage site.

'Tis.

naoseiquemsou,

I second this. The subs I'm subscribed to are losing a lot of quality, and human interaction is degrading. Doesn't feel like a comfortable place anymore.

mem_somerville_kbin,
@mem_somerville_kbin@kbin.social avatar

Agree--I'm seeing a lot of what I called 'quiet quitting' lately. The regulars are posting a lot less, or not at all. I'm not ready to burn-it-all-down, because I want to be able to lure people over later when this is a bit more mature. But it already feels different there.

Xeelee,
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Agreed. I use it much less than I used to and post a lot less. So that's obviously going to lead to an appreciable loss of quality ʕ •ᴥ•ʔ

explodingkitchen,

Yup. I just popped over there and even r/politics feels "thinner"--not as many posts, nor as many comments replying to posts as I would have seen a month ago.

xc2215x, to news in Reddit is in danger of a death spiral

They will still exist but they will lose a bunch for sure.

Froyn,

They'll lose the heavy contributors. Those that rely on the 3rd party apps to contribute.

macallik,

Yeah, it disproportionately affects power users/content creators/moderators.

GONADS125,

I nuked all my posts on r/vans yesterday because I got the random thought to Google image search "reddit vans [keyword/model]" and my images/posts were all over Google images. Half the time they were the 1st result, most of the time they'd be in 2rd and 3rd.

I was a big contributor on r/vans for years (different username) and there's no question that my posts must've generated a lot of traffic for reddit. Not anymore! I don't feel good about all my photos being on reddit any longer. No plans to go back there either.

I want to rebuild here, with blackjack, and hookers! It's still very new, but I made lemmy.world/c/vans. The r/vans community and mods are great, but there's just no going back to reddit for me. But I can now see the argument that one user doesn't make a difference is bullshit, when it's my posts all over search engines' top results. Fuck you reddit!

i5-2520M, to linux in 8 things you can do with Linux that you can't do with MacOS or Windows

I hate articles like this, so let's go through it.

  • 1: Fair, but it undermines how much you can tune Windows and MacOS, they are not nearly as set in stone as people think.
  • 2: Completely true and based.
  • 3: There is a Linux way of doing things, and there are many things that follow from that, like not being able to do advanced admin task without a command line, unlike on Windows. Lock-in also refers more to stuff like hardware lock in for MacOS not just the OS not having an option to change something.
  • 4: Kinda fair, if you use the right distro with the right settings, but in my experience you still have to reboot semi-often.
  • 5: I don't get this one, Wine is on MacOS and Windows has WSL(g), so I don't see how you are ahead on Linux at all.
  • 6: This is kinda dumb kinda not dumb, Ignores the AppStore, WinStore, winget and other tools common on these OSs.
  • 7: Ok, I'm good on this. People have some pretty sick Wallpaper engine and raindrop setups on Windows as well.
  • 8: Nah, I don't know what you are talking about there mate. based on my last few install sessions for laptops there are plenty of stuff that is glitchy as all hell.
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