I tried using Thunder a while ago and didn’t really like it when compared to liftoff, but that was earlier in the development timeline so it’s probably better now
I'm using Liftoff as well right now I wanted to take a look at Eternity a while ago but it just never came to that for some reason. Probably cause my main is kbin idk. Might as well just try it now that I'm reminded by the poll, I guess.
Edit: Well, Eternity doesn't seem to handle logging in from lemmy.blahaj.zone yet. Or something else's wrong with my credentials idk.
Liftoff doesn’t work with beehaw right now but seems to work with other lemmy instances.
Yeah I’ll probably check out the other open source lemmy apps. Sync doing the ads is a no go for me. I do really like lemmy so not sure really what I’m looking for.
Tesseract is essentially a fork of Photon with native video playing and a few more features, you can find a public instance for photon here and can sign into your normal account, a tesseract instance is here
Need Arctic to be added to the list. I personally use Thunder because of its unique UI, unlike most other apps that just look like different variations of Apollo. Special mention to Arctic and Avelon because they can embed and play gifs/videos instead of opening an in-app browser. Arctic can also scrub gifs which is cool. Artemis has a unique UI too but I’m not on kbin so I’ll have to wait for lemmy support to fully use it.
Tesseract is essentially a fork of Photon with native video playing and a few more features, you can find a public instance for photon here and can sign into your normal account, a tesseract instance is here
Almost all of Syncs business model is ads. The free version has ads and almost everyone who pays for it is doing so to remove ads. Which is just rewarding the implementation of ads. I also disagree with the concept of profiting from free user content with ads like Reddit does. Which was Reddits primary goal of preventing third party apps. They wanted the ad revenue themselves instead of third parties getting the ad revenue.
The only way this can be acceptable is to not have a free ad version and only have a paid version. That way you are paying for software and not paying to remove ads or profiting from free user content.
Synce is hilarious to me. “You know how Lemmy is completely free to use? What if it had ADs! And what if you had to pay money to remove those ADs!”.
And people lined up around the block for it.
You can pay one time to remove the ads, or sign up for Sync’s Ultra subscription which provides additional features like OCR in images and text translation.
Once you do so, the ad library is not invoked at all.
I’m not trying to be rude here, but please read my post. Paying to remove ads is part of the ad business model. Anyone who pays to remove ads means the developer profited from ads.
So in your mind, what does the business model look like for the developer? If they can’t charge for their app and they can’t offer it for free with ads, then what is the expectation? 100% FOSS and assume that goodwill from users will give them enough in donations?
I saw in your comment you are in favor of charging for the app, but how is the ad free version not exactly that? It’s a paid app for those who want that but it’s a free app for those who don’t mind ads. It just seems needlessly nitpicky for that to be the point of contention here.
You do know that there are a dozen other apps that don’t charge anything, don’t you? Sync is the only one that costs money. It’s the only one that has ads.
It’s also the best hands-down. If you want to use a worse free app, that’s fine. I haven’t paid for Sync for Lemmy, and I deal with 1 ad every 5 pages or so. I’m not that sensitive.
Sure, and that’s great! There are so many good no-cost, ad-free Lemmy apps out there. And I suppose that’s what leaves me confused when people get upset because just one app happens to be monetized. With so many viable alternatives, why make this the hill to die on?
People who donate their time and expertise to provide something for free are admirable, but it’s the nature of the beast called capitalism that makes that option not feasible for everyone. When people need to afford food and rent, and an app might be someone’s primary income, there should never be an expectation that someone offer something for free, just an appreciation when they do.
There are plenty of other developers, new ones that were happy to work on integrations and apps for the fediverse. While sync is great, it’s like a giant Walmart moving into the area, displacing other viable alternatives.
If people line up around the block for it, maybe it does actually add value? You can hate ads, I do too. But if people willingly look at ads to visit a website (Lemmy) that does not have any in its original version, then for those people the app obviously adds enough value to make it worth it, don’t you think?
No, Sync has a loyal cult in a very similar way Apple does. Cult shall buy regardless of reasoning. Cult shall obey ads. Cult shall love it. Cult just wants another toilet app instead of Reddit.
I’m a sync user and pretty tired of these pointless statements. Don’t want it, don’t use it! I pay for ultra to support the dev and that’s my choice. Again, if you don’t want it, don’t use it. But can you please stop this sync bashing? It’s not as if the torrent of anti-sync memes forgot to cover what you are saying.
Why do you care if someone doesn’t like your client of choice? They have some value that is different than yours, they have every right to express why they think people using sync is harmful. You are free to disagree but don’t complain because they express an opinion you don’t like.
I paid to remove ads from Reddit Sync in 2014. 9 years went by where I continued to use the app every single day, as ljdawson continued regular improvements and updates (aside from the incident). By the time Reddit Sync went away, I felt I had vastly underpaid for what I got, and purchased lifetime Ultra as a way of supporting ljdawson.
I totally get what you’re saying. But at the same time, Sync is so much more than just the content that it displays. The ads are not there to profit on free content, they’re there to support the user experience that sync provides. They’re also far, far less obtrusive than typical ads
The nice thing is, there’s choices! Feel free to use other clients and find what works best
Same here. I used the paid version sync for reddit for years and got my money’s worth out of it. When the incident happened I switched to infinity and, while annoyed, I definitely felt I got my worth out of it. When ljdawson released sync for lemmy and added the ad-free upgrade I happily purchased it and I have been very satisfied with the app and all the improvements he is continually making. This is all coming from a hardcore open source 20+ years of Linux on the desktop guy.
This is such a bad take. Imagine being mad that the user has a choice for a low/no cost ad supported version and a paid version. There are other benefits too, like being able to trial the software for as long as you want before buying in.
I’m using the free version of Sync for Lemmy now, I don’t see any ads. Maybe because my phone has the adguard server as my DNS server and it’s just blocking them all?
Wait, how is earning revenue from having ads in your app “profiting off free user content,” but charging someone directly to use the app isn’t? They both do the same thing for the developer (generate revenue), the only difference is who is paying.
I was considering trying sync. thanks for the info. never gonna touch it now. there are too many good free browsers now to even bother. I’m still trying narrow down between the last three out of five different iOS ones I downloaded. they are all so good and Apollo like
Every time I see comments like this I imagine that Reese meme from Malcom in The Middle saying “Wah Wah, too bad!” Or whatever the English translation of that is.
Nope, I’m on Mobile. Since all I really use lemme for is text posts, links to articles about things, and the occasional star trek meme, there’s just no added value in using a client for me. I have no interest in ad-supported software at all, so if there’s a decent FOSS one I’d maybe try it eventually, but unless there’s something as minimalistic as BaconReader, probably not.
I tried a bunch of Lemmy clients and they all have some issues; some annoying, some catastrophic. The interesting thing is that the pros and cons complement each other, which has lead me to use Bean as my primary client and lifoff as the secondary one.
Bean is good for browsing, reading, commenting etc. When you get a reply in a long thread 4 layers deep, it’s the time for Liftoff to shine.
Memmy has been my favorite, although I wish it would go back to having updates. I understand they’re taking a break though and I just need to be patient
My only problem with lemmy is the lack of a client. Right now, for me, memmy and voyager are the least worst, but they’re pretty bad.
I’m not even asking for an Apollo out of the gate. I’d settle for an Alien Blue. And I have no problem paying for it, either. I was an Apollo ne plus ultra user, or whatever it was called.
From an information architecture perspective, it really seems like reddit and lemmy might be close enough that a middle layer could be written that would make it easier to port user-facing apps from one api to the other. There’s obviously be some differences, but if feasible it might accelerate development of multiple client options at once.
For the record, I’ve tried memmy, voyager, mlem, lemmios, liftoff, and I am presently going to try bean. That’s approximately the order of how useable I’ve found them, but they each have their own annoyances. I don’t own an android device, but I hope the options are better over there.
In any case, I became a heavy reddit user only after Alien Blue came out. I became a very heavy user after Apollo came out. I left reddit the day external clients became unavailable.
I think lemmy has enormous potential, but the UX needs to be made easier if we’re to really make a dent in reddit usership and get the level of posts, comments, and active communities they have there.
I also suspect that the backend is going to need a better approach for handling the negative consequences of a large influx of users. I’m not talking about load - I’m talking about community management. Back in the day (by which I mean the early 90s) there was an email blacklist. Admins of important nodes in the email distribution network had a shared list of domains that had unsecured servers, and would update it based on where they saw the (then relatively recent phenomenon of) spam coming from.
I’m really interested in how the information flow network of the fediverse evolves, if it continues to grow. Are we going to find a network with community structure, with clumps of mutually federated instances that have few if any connections between them? If so, clients will have to have solid account creation and management, and the admin tools will need to be sophisticated.
Yes, try Avelon OP! It’s really good. The UI is so smooth. Scrolling. And it has the ability to hide bars on scroll. It seems I’m the only one who cares about this feature haha but to me it makes content look much better without the navigation bars constantly being on display.
I’m using Memmy too, although the app sometimes repeat post reply 5 times and I had to delete the other 4. I still use Memmy anyway and don’t mind waiting till this gets fixed.
I’m using Memmy too, although the app sometimes repeat post reply 5 times and I had to delete the other 4. I still use Memmy anyway and don’t mind waiting till this gets fixed.
I’m using Memmy too, although the app sometimes repeat post reply 5 times and I had to delete the other 4. I still use Memmy anyway and don’t mind waiting till this gets fixed.
I’m using Memmy too, although the app sometimes repeat post reply 5 times and I had to delete the other 4. I still use Memmy anyway and don’t mind waiting till this gets fixed.
I’m using Memmy too, although the app sometimes repeat post reply 5 times and I had to delete the other 4. I still use Memmy anyway and don’t mind waiting till this gets fixed.
I’m using Memmy too, although the app sometimes repeat post reply 5 times and I had to delete the other 4. I still use Memmy anyway and don’t mind waiting till this gets fixed.
Yeah I really liked Memmy. The lack of updates wouldn’t bother me except there are a couple annoying bugs still. Also when I click on a community it opens in my browser. I’ve tested a bunch to find one that has everything I want. I’ve also settled on Avelon. The only thing it doesn’t have is multiple icon options and that’s not an important factor at all.
You don’t necessarily need it as a builtin option in Lemmy, actually. You’d just need someone to hand-roll it. Before GitHub had forums with surveys, there used to be a third party provider that offered inofficial surveys that could be added to comments as embedded SVG images. The only drawback was that you could vote even as a non-registered user (but that’s true of Strawpoll as well). I sadly both forgot the name and think the company/people behind that tool may have stopped providing it.
Admittedly I tend to always see as a bad thing whenever I see phone models without headphone jacks, that said for the last five years I’ve been using phones without headphone jacks and using the wired headphones they came with is enough for the few times I need to use them.
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