Depriving a child of a valid education should really constitute neglect. I’ve known adults who were homeschooled or attended some wacky Christian school, and they’re always lacking basic skills and knowledge. And it’s not the kids’ fault that their parents are religious nuts, but sometimes the cycle continues.
43% of those reported belief in god or some higher power. They’re “spiritual but not religious”. So I wouldn’t even call it 30%. One was even quoted as believing in astrology, saying she bet half of it is even a placebo effect.
This is nothing to be excited about. That said, I personally don’t care what people believe, so long as they keep it to themselves.
I read the intro part, but didn’t dive into the meat of the article. I also don’t care what people’s religious views are, as long as it’s nothing more than a belief to them that doesn’t affect anyone outside of them. Unfortunately, that’s not how religion generally works, so my hope is that more and more people stop believing in religion.
Edit: Basically, this is a click-bait title where they intentionally keep the title’s meaning mysterious, like it’s a new viral trend or something dangerous. They define:
These so-called “nones" — atheists, agnostics, or nothing in particular —
Please read the full article before making comments like this. It misrepresents the experiences of some of the peoples mentioned, who never identify themselves as atheist but who are often seeking community and spiritual experiences outside of religion.
Yeah, I suppose my second sentence is somewhat diminitive… The article itself is more of a “dossier” than a single article, and gatekeeping discussions only for those who read the full article(s) kind of discourages discussions on the topic.
The first thing I wanted to convey is that they’re trying to redefine something that already exists. Today I learned that “atheism” has such a loaded baggage to you and the article’s authors that they’re is a need for a new word!
Too me, that is quite the revelation: everything I read in the article is exactly what I understand to be “atheism”! I’ve known that in some places on the world, it can be worst to be atheist than to be of the “wrong” religion… I hope using “the none phenomena” will help these people be safer…
You see, people don’t have to identify as atheist to in fact be atheist. Anyone who lacks belief in a god, for any reason (or lack thereof), is an atheist whether they want to admit it or not.
They started treating schools like prisons after columbine. Taking away bookbags. Treating students like criminals. Having rent-a-cop harass kids. Not to mention shooter training and underpaid teachers. And also this war on woke BS with book bans and continual changes to the educational material so kids are learning about atrocities from one source while their history book glosses over it.
Republicans don’t get elected when the constituents are educated. So instead of changing their platform to align with educated opinions, they decided to dumb down the population.
They’ve been doing it for decades and it’s finally all coming to a head.
I’m a teacher and don’t see public schooling lasting more than 5 years.
There’s a new rule at my daughter’s middle school this year that children are not allowed to go to extracurricular activities (aside from sports for some reason) unless accompanied by a parent. What the fuck?
There’s a “rest of the fucking owl” feeling throughout this whole article. The statistics are straightforward, but all of the reasons proposed by the writer are anecdotal.
Absence rates can rise for any number of reasons, but the one giant glaring one that is not given consideration is that covid still exists. The pandemic is not “over”, the world is just beyond caring.
Just think for a moment about what happens when you get a notification that your child’s classroom has active spread of covid. How seriously does your kids school take covid? How effective is the current vaccine with the current variant that is prevalent in your area? Would you send your kid to school knowing they would get sick? Would you want your kid to get sick and infect the rest of your family? How many sick days do you have left for the year? Can you afford to be sick? Is them missing school for a few days worth the risk of losing your job? Will repeated covid infection affect you, your kids, or the rest of your family in the future to a greater detriment than missing a few more days of school? Do you have immune compromised family that you also have to take care of? Did you already lose part of your family from covid? How close are you to adequate health facilities that could take care of you and your family if you are sick? Do you have anybody that’s willing to take care of your family knowing you are sick? Can you afford it?
Have you noticed that many of the states that have a far higher rate increase of absenteeism are also those that have either very large or very small classroom sizes? Have you noticed that they also seem to correlate with poverty rates? Have you noticed that covid rates are not tracked at all anymore in many states?
All of what I just said is hypothetical, just like the article, but those are all very real thoughts for many Americans. I have kids and if I found that covid was actively spreading through the classroom or school, I would much rather keep them home. If they get sick, we will most likely all get sick. If we all get sick we set in motion cycle of viruses that sets us back months, and possibly hurts our community. We risk our health, careers, and livelihood for a couple days at school. We weigh the risks as we see fit.
We can’t keep pretending that covid isn’t still an issue. We can’t act like it only existed for those 2 years. We definitely can’t be ignorantly watering down issues by attributing their cause to targeted talking ponts.
Do tell us how that other option of not even going to grade school is going to work out for them in the future when they want to do things like move out of their parents’ house.
I’m not talking about college, just normal grade school. Because without a HS diploma, good luck getting much more than a minimum wage job.
As a subscriber of antischool and a promoter of self-guided learning, I'm for people freeing themselves from school so long as they're not hurting anybody to do it.
On one hand, yeah, but on the other, to really achieve, you must stand on the shoulders of giants. Else, you will be reinventing the wheel, sometimes literally. One of our great advantages as a species is language, allowing us to communicate complex concepts.
I do think when people eventually decide what they want to do, they will apply themselves and learn. Kids (correctly) believe school is wasting their time. If we offered vocational training instead, I think it would be a win-win.
This is some libertarian ‘pull themselves up by their bootstraps’ bullshit that I also never hear from anyone who actually has a child. Children do not have fully-developed brains. That alone should be enough to realize that they can’t be trusted to teach themselves things properly. They need guidance.
Also, letting a six-year-old decide for themselves whether or not they want to learn to read and know what 1+1 equals is just fucking stupid.
Montana, Wyoming, and New Hampshire use a different definition of chronic truancy, so they are not included, while Minnesota wasn’t included due to inconclusive data
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