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zephyrvs, to worldnews in Unveiling the ‘Wikipedia Game’: CIA and FBI Use Web Encyclopedia for Information Warfare

I am shocked! The CIA and the FBI? The bastions of liberty and justice?

knfrmity, to worldnews in Unveiling the ‘Wikipedia Game’: CIA and FBI Use Web Encyclopedia for Information Warfare

They Grayzone has also done investigative reporting into the inner workings of Wikipedia. Spoiler: it’s part of the imperial propaganda machine, and that’s partly by design.

shiteyes2,

What isn’t

tallwookie, to worldnews in The Ukraine and Israeli/Palestine Conflicts Show the Demise of Western Imperialism and Foreshadow Its Coming Collapse

based on the titles of his various articles, the author seems to have a strong prejudice against Ukraine --> orinocotribune.com/?s=Dmitri+Kovalevich

LollerCorleone, to worldnews in Unveiling the ‘Wikipedia Game’: CIA and FBI Use Web Encyclopedia for Information Warfare
@LollerCorleone@kbin.social avatar

This might be true, but I will take anything that comes from Larry Sanger with a pinch of salt. Dude has been pretty much exclusively hanging out with right wing nutjobs since 2020 and was at one point spreading misinformation against Covid-19 vaccines.

fear,
@fear@kbin.social avatar

I hadn't heard this so I did a search to see what you were talking about. One of the first things that comes up is a quote from this guy whining that he doesn't trust Wikipedia anymore because they don't allow Daily Mail or Fox News as sources of reliable information. You know, the gossip rag Daily Mail that posts anything "sources say" for clicks, and the same Fox News that was found to be flat out lying to its viewers on a number of sociopolitical issues. What a putz.

Syldon, to worldnews in China Calls for Complete Lifting of US Empire’s Illegal Sanctions Against Venezuela
@Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

How are these illegal sanctions?

Krause,
@Krause@lemmygrad.ml avatar

By violating international law:

www.isjq.ir/article_145298.html?lang=en

According to Articles 1 (2), 2 (1) and 74 of the UN Charter, the imposition of unilateral sanctions violates the principles of the Charter, the principle of equality of states, the development of friendly relations and good neighborliness, and consideration of each other’s interests and well-being.

mintyfrog, (edited )

Read those articles and explain how the US is violating them? Also, your article is in an unknown journal from a place without free speech.

Edit: Love the downvotes from people not bothering to check the primary sources.“US is bad so they must be violating international law with sanctions”

zerfuffle,

“free speech” like prosecuting people for supporting Palestine, right?

mintyfrog,

Are you insinuating that the United States has criminally prosecuted individuals purely for their support for Palestine? Any examples?

Omega_Haxors,

Daily reminder that when liberals say “freedom” they mean “of markets”

Syldon,
@Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

How long has China been adopting the UN charter?

This is news to me. I guess we can all forget about the nine-dash line from today.

zerfuffle, (edited )

The UN Charter is the foundational document that the UN is built on. UNCLOS is a convention (one that, for what it’s worth, the US never ratified). The PCA is a non-UN body that’s sometimes used as an arbitration mechanism between two parties to avoid conflict.

Do you have any grasp on international law, or do you just enjoy whataboutism?

Syldon,
@Syldon@feddit.uk avatar

Doesn’t answer the question. When has China accepted UN charters?

zerfuffle,

sigh

don’t engage with idiots, don’t engage with idiots, don’t engage with idiots…

I’d recommend you read a tiny bit into UN history and what the UN Charter actually is.

gravitas_deficiency,

Look at OP’s post history. It’s pretty clear they’re a tankie.

Omega_Haxors,
gravitas_deficiency,
Omega_Haxors,

Yep, fascist. That’s a nazi meme.

SouthernOcean, to worldnews in China Calls for Complete Lifting of US Empire’s Illegal Sanctions Against Venezuela

Lemmy is quickly becoming a front for Russian disinformation and agitation. Are people not seeing this?

3/4 the posts on my front page are attacks on the US in one form or another. The tone has completely shifted in the last month.

HobbitFoot,

No, they’ve been here from well before the Reddit migration. It was just that the activity from Reddit migrants had died down and now you’re seeing more of what Lemmy was beforehand.

SouthernOcean,

Ah. It’s a bummer.

I’m ok with criticism of the US, but this just seems like a targeted stream of anti western crap.

It’s sad that the internet is getting trashed by state actors for their own gain, and unfortunate for those who take it all at face value.

gnuhaut,

You think state actors are targeting lemmy? That seems like an incredibly bad investment. Do you think the troll farms boss would be happy with me posting on here instead of facebook or twitter?

It’s actually far more likely that your opinion (including this hot take right here) has been formed by many an organization or rich dude throwing money at promoting their views in both traditional media and social media. Of course this place here seems out of place to you, you’re the one that has taken the propaganda at face value.

SouthernOcean,

Actually, there is high value in posting where their upvotes matter a lot. That’s why Russia hijacked r/conspiracy - because they didn’t have the numbers to overwhelm some of the bigger subreddits.

A new medium like Lemmy is easy to hijack. And clearly it’s happening. I read a very broad cross section of news, and a lot of the stuff that’s getting upvoted here is simply lame anti—west propaganda.

zerfuffle,

What’s a more likely target for state actors:

A small federated social media platform with a limited audience and that, by design, decentralizes control

OR

Reddit, which literally has Atlantic Council members deciding content moderation policy

It’s not anyone else’s fault that the US has been taking L after L recently internationally.

SouthernOcean,

Reddit is manipulated for sure. I didn’t say it wasn’t.

I said that Lemmy shows all the signs of bullshit propaganda. I think the US has its pros and cons, but I can tell RT like content when I see it.

A small social media platform is easy to manipulate as well. The goal for Russia is to divide the West and anger people. When only 15 upvotes will get something to Top for the day, that’s pretty ripe for abuse.

Omega_Haxors,

Yes this is what the world looks like when you don’t have nazis and the state department censoring stuff they don’t like. You’ll get used to it.

SouthernOcean,

Uh huh. Riiight.

I’ve been on the internet for 30 years, including BBSes and IRC, so I actually have a pretty good idea what it looked like before censorship.

This is bullshit propaganda and if you’re swallowing it all, I’m sorry.

Omega_Haxors,

Censorship is when people can say the n word

OurToothbrush,

Honestly this is just xenophobia.

OsrsNeedsF2P, to worldnews in Unveiling the ‘Wikipedia Game’: CIA and FBI Use Web Encyclopedia for Information Warfare

One of the stories censored by the FBI on Twitter was the scandal surrounding the laptop of Hunter Biden, son of the current US president, revealing incriminating emails alleging corrupt acts committed by President Biden. At the request of US authorities, this story was silenced by all available means within the platform, according to documents released by Musk.

These documents also revealed that Twitter assisted the US military in online propaganda campaigns and censorship of “anti-Ukrainian [NATO] narratives” at the request of various US state agencies.

Meta CEO Mark Zuckerberg has also admitted that Facebook, at the direct request of the FBI, censored information that would have been damaging to President Joe Biden’s 2020 election campaign.

“I am immune to propaganda”

Fazoo, (edited ) to worldnews in France Reportedly Thinks US Backstabbed It During Nuland’s Trip to Niger
@Fazoo@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m sure RT had a completely unbiased summary of the pay walled piece. Good journalism all around.

peter, to worldnews in Unveiling the ‘Wikipedia Game’: CIA and FBI Use Web Encyclopedia for Information Warfare
@peter@feddit.uk avatar

Unsurprising

roo, to worldnews in The Ukraine and Israeli/Palestine Conflicts Show the Demise of Western Imperialism and Foreshadow Its Coming Collapse
@roo@lemmy.one avatar

Sounds a lot like that claptrap about brown people uniting to take over the world before 9/11. Afterwards the entire world helped in hunting down the groups that had taken it to a level of terrorism.

These world domination plans rarely pan out.

freagle,

Brown people uniting would not be taking over the world, it would be reclaiming their world from the world domination of the European colonial project

OurToothbrush,

Why do you think an end to US world domination is a world domination plan?

knfrmity,

It’s always projection from colonist/imperialist types. They can’t imagine social structures beyond oppressive colonial ones, so of course them not being the oppressor automatically makes them the oppressed.

DeathsEmbrace,

Imperialism is sometimes a two sided event. One wants to be imperialist while the other is already imperialist. America is one of the biggest imperialist on the planet. I wish Europe and Asia wouldn’t be so reliant on them it just screams imperialism without imperialism on the menu.

knfrmity,

Imperialism is a one sided relationship, although there are of course inter-imperial rivalries. The US empire is the imperialist, its allies, largely former colonial nations themselves, are really nothing more than vassal states.

The heavy reliance of US allies on the US is by design. These nations didn’t have a choice in the matter. That’s one of the primary ways the US has survived so long as such a dominant imperial power. Of course these vassal nations participate in adventurism and neo-colonialism in the global south because they have their material interests to attend to, be those nurturing the relationship with the US, enriching their own capitalist class, or staving off revolt in their own populations.

zerfuffle,

surely terrorism couldn’t be because of the overthrow of s Democratically elected leftist governments in the Middle East that spawned multiple right-wing theocratic regimes…

zephyrvs, to worldnews in Venezuela Formally Applies for BRICS Membership

Dedollarization commences. Will probably take a few more years to be really noticable but with African countries attempting to build their own transaction currency and India and Emirates dropping the Dollar, the US is rather silent on the topic, as far as I know.

AnomalousBit,

Yeah, this will be so great! I’m sure Venezuela and Russia can’t wait to trade their looks at notes oil with each other in rubles and bolívares. Who the hell would hold a ton of those currencies unless they were forced to anyways? How many millions of bolívares to one US Dollar is it today? Great job, Maduro. Really leading with excellence over there.

These dudes lighting fireworks over this trade block full of cronies is hilarious.

OurToothbrush,

Have you considered looking up the actual implications or are you legitimately content to think Russia and Venezuela are going to start trading oil back and forth?

AnomalousBit,

It’s literally the super majority of both countries exports, but yeah sure they’ll start trading super computers 🤣

AlbigensianGhoul,
@AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml avatar

You might be a bit confused there if you think that 1) BRICS is only Russia or 2) that they only produce oil. The first 4 countries are there specifically because they together command the biggest markets and populations in the world except for the USA (I still don’t understand why South Africa is there, but they’re nice too), and the block is quickly expanding as a broad anti-imperial financial coalition. That means natural resources like oil, minerals (gallium, lithium, uranium), wood, but agricultural produce like the soy used in livestock feed around the world, and even high tech products such as cars, computer parts and weapons.

In the specific case of Venezuela, if they need food, natural resources, high tech equipment or even investment from the BRICS’s New Development Bank, they’ll have much better luck from within BRICS than alone, without having to worry about invasions or sanctions from the “blocks full of cronies” of the EU, USA or broader NATO. It is great news if you care about Venezolanos having better lives from now on.

AnomalousBit,

It’s really cute and cuddly of you to paint this as a net benefit for the people (oh, won’t you just think of the children!?). But I think what was best for Venezuelans was, you know, maybe abiding by the results of their democratic election in 2019 and not letting some shitty Russian Manchurian candidate rule the country. Thanks to the “leadership” of Maduro, Venezuelans have experienced hyperinflation more than once in the past 5 years. But I’m sure his choice to lead Venezuela into BRICS is a super-bright 5D chess move, you’re right buddy. Have fun hanging out with Jinping, Putin and Modi. I’m sure those guys are super nice and would never sell anyone down the river for a quick buck.

AlbigensianGhoul,
@AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml avatar

I also think of the adults, y’know, those who support Maduro? What do you think of, usually? I have no idea what election in 2019 you’re referring to. Maybe you’re referring to the one in 2018 where maduro won? It is also strange for you to describe a Venezuelan born in Venezuela as both Russian and Manchurian. I’m also sure going into BRICS as a third world nation is always good, Brazil is usually a good ally. It’s telling that you forgot about Lula and Ramaphosa, as well as the prospective Fernández, AMLO and Dias-Canel, just to name a few that are closer to venezuela than the other 3. Shows a lot about your knowledge of BRICS.

Thanks to the “leadership” of Maduro, Venezuelans have experienced hyperinflation more than once in the past 5 years.

Mind elaborating on which Maduro failures, in your informed opinion, caused Venezuela’s hyperinflation, which had nothing to do with sanctions and the world relying on the dollar (which is what this alliance will avert happening again in the future)? I’m sure you know a lot about this and will be able to inform us.

AnomalousBit,

Whoa dudes, they really sent the big daddy troll farm boss out today! That’s great though because the more time he spends here the less time he has for spreading misinformation elsewhere.

I also think of the adults, y’know, those who support Maduro?

Who in their right mind, living in Venezuela and seeing their buying power drop by 60,000% (that 2018 hyperinflation was quite a ride!) over the past 5 years would support Maduro? You can’t really be serious, right? There’s turmoil all throughout the world over 50% inflation… imagine 60,000%!? How fucking clueless do you have to be to pretend like there’s this huge swell of Maduro supporters?

It is also strange for you to describe a Venezuelan born in Venezuela as both Russian and Manchurian.

A Manchurian Candidate is “a person, especially a politician, being used as a puppet by an enemy power.” Straight from Dictionary.com. This probably got lost in your troll farm translation software. Who the hell would think Maduro is Russian or actually Manchurian? Just… what?

Those dudes you name dropped are really cool and all, but it doesn’t change the simple fact that of the three largest members of BRICS:

  • China and India are literally fighting each other along their border
  • Russia is locked in an endless war that it started and is being sanctioned to economic starvation by the free, democratically-elected half the world.

But yeah, what a cool trade block to be a part of. They all must be so thrilled.

AlbigensianGhoul,
@AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Please keep your racism and flippancy to yourself. It looks stupid and makes you look like an idiot. You’re better than this and arguing with you is hardly that much of an effort on my part.

Who in their right mind, living in Venezuela and seeing their buying power drop by 60,000% (that 2018 hyperinflation was quite a ride!) over the past 5 years would support Maduro? You can’t really be serious, right? There’s turmoil all throughout the world over 50% inflation… imagine 60,000%!? How fucking clueless do you have to be to pretend like there’s this huge swell of Maduro supporters?

About 45% of approval, similar to Biden. Who in their right mind would support Biden? Cut the crap will ya.

A Manchurian Candidate is “a person, especially a politician, being used as a puppet by an enemy power.”

Had never heard of this one. In fact, I’m not a native English speaker. This forum is not only for Yankees and we don’t have to automatically know every pop culture Yankee term. Either way it seems to be based on a racist and anti-communist novel, so you’ll forgive me if I still think it’s a terrible coincidence for you there.

Those dudes you name dropped are really cool and all, but it doesn’t change the simple fact that of the three largest members of BRICS

Russia is the 4th biggest, third is Brazil. Why do you always forget Brazil?

China and India are literally fighting each other along their border

Are they? And how would it be relevant?

Russia is locked in an endless war that it started and is being sanctioned to economic starvation by the free, democratically-elected half the world.

When was the last free democratic election in Ukraine again? The rest of the “democratically-elected” world is not participating directly in this war and Russia also had its own election in 2018. Also it’s more like a seventh of the world in population size, and BRICS (all of whom have democratically elected leaders) joining together is enough evidence of that.

But yeah, what a cool trade block to be a part of. They all must be so thrilled.

Indeed it is! That is why more than half of the world wants in on it. Cool, isn’t it? The power of third world solidarity.

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/c3664538-4ddc-4725-8a7a-4d29fcf7d953.png

AnomalousBit, (edited )

keep your racism and flippancy to yourself.

Refuting the FUD produced by the 5 or 6 communist astroturfer accounts in this thread is not racism. Calling out multiple attempts of gaslighting the legitimacy of the Maduro government and Russia’s foul influence in the world of politics is not racism. Fortunately for the rest of us, your being communist and being anti-west is not a race.

About 45% of approval (for Maduro)

This is literally not possible outside of some phony, made-up poll put on by Maduro’s entourage. Venezuela has been teetering on yet another period of hyperinflation over the past year (reaching up to 155%). Minimum wage in Venezuela will not even provide a single person with enough food for sustenance. Do you truly, in whatever distorted reality you live in, believe that 45% of people living there are supporters of this shit? There’s just no way, outside of imprisoning and torturing people who present opposition (hello Russia!) that you could reach 45% approval for Maduro. This is a fucking dumb take that even communist shills should have a hard time swallowing.

This forum is not only for Yankees

I never assumed your background outside of being a government-funded astroturfer for communism, which is clear as daylight from your comment history. Just like several of the other pro-Maduro, “BRICS is awesome” promoting commenters in this thread.

China and India are literally fighting each other along their border”, Your response: Are they? And how would it be relevant?

Well gee, BRICS is supposed to be a group of countries helping each other out! Here, have some money from the BRICS bank! You really don’t see how the largest countries in BRICS literally killing each other might not be the best display of solidarity? Damn, look at how well they collaborate together! The west better be scared!

Russia also had its own election in 2018

You can’t really believe this shit you spew around here, right? Russia freely and democratically elected Putin as much as my mother is the Duly Elected President of the Entire Fucking Solar System. They even imprisoned and have been torturing (ever since) the only guy who truly ran against him, Alexei Navalny. Read the news, man! This shit has been out in broad daylight for years. There’s even videos of interviewers asking Russians about it and they’re too damn scared shitless to answer out of fear of being sent to the gulag for speaking against the status quo. If Russia is your given example of a functioning democracy, it’s no wonder you’re such a cheerleader for communism. Hell, I might be too if that was the only example I ever saw.

BRICS (all of whom have democratically elected leaders)

** My eyes roll straight out of my fucking head ** yeah I think I’m done here. There’s no getting through to you.

AlbigensianGhoul,
@AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Refuting the FUD produced by the 5 or 6 communist astroturfer accounts in this thread is not racism.

Assuming people you disagree with are foreign interlopers/robots/trolls is. And your mannerisms still make you sound much more annoying than you probably are in real life. You’re making people who agree with you look bad. Stop it, get some help.

This is literally not possible outside of some phony, made-up poll put on by Maduro’s entourage.

Astroturfer robot from hell: presents some evidence

Galaxy brain foreign policy expert from reddit: That’s actually wrong because I don’t believe it.

Please do go on, present the Venezuelan perspective that you know so much of.

government-funded astroturfer for communism

lol I fucking wish. Apparently people would only disagree with your genius ideas if they were being paid for it, no sane person would ever deny the truth of the great AnomalousBit!

Well gee, BRICS is supposed to be a group of countries helping each other out!

You did not answer the first question: “are they?” I’m not aware of any war between official Chinese and Indian military forces. I can’t really argue about your bizarre conclusions if I don’t know what alternative facts you’re basing them on. Go on, provide sources, Mr Debunker.

You can really believe this shit you spew around here, right?

I said he was elected. Now if you don’t trust elections as a the only condition for democracy, congratulations, you’re on the right track. Now apply that to your “free democratic world” and specifically to Ukraine that has banned elections and executed political opponents. Then at least we can get a more interesting discussion over “how democratic are these countries” besides just having elections.

If Russia is your given example of a functioning democracy

A swing… And a miss!

** My eyes roll straight out of my fucking head ** yeah I think I’m done here.

Let’s bet on it, I think you’ll be back.

Either way, let’s play a game, which BRICS countries are not democracies? I’ll start by saying that India, South Africa and Brazil have clearly elected their leaders democratically in internationally trusted elections , even if some might not like them too much. Then that leaves only Russia (who had at least more elections than Ukraine and has a more popular leader than say the UK) and China (who elected Xi Jinping through democratic centralism of the CPC). Although you might disagree that the systems of the latter two are democratic (much as I disagree that the Yankee system of electing Biden or the UK being a monarchy are themselves democratic), that still leaves the majority of BRICS countries within internationally recognised democratic systems. In order to get through to me you might want to first learn what you’re talking about.

You talk a lot about “government-funded astroturfers” which is funny because the we are speaking in English, the home language of the CIA that just loves to infiltrate places. One might wonder, is it not possible that the astroturfer was you all along?

ShimmeringKoi, to worldnews in China Calls for Complete Lifting of US Empire’s Illegal Sanctions Against Venezuela
ShimmeringKoi,

removed for epilepsy

Lol fair

queermunist, to worldnews in Venezuela Formally Applies for BRICS Membership
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

BRIVCS

BRIVCS

VIRBSC

RIBVCS

Uh

ijeff,
@ijeff@lemdro.id avatar

I assume it would be something like BRICSV or BRICS+.

AlbigensianGhoul,
@AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml avatar

The list is actually much bigger than that, we’re more diverse than the queer acronyms now.

https://lemmygrad.ml/pictrs/image/c507ce9f-b8e6-4fee-9718-4750e869ef94.png

There can never be too much Latin American cooperation IMO. The USA better get ready to invade every single one of us again.

queermunist,
@queermunist@lemmy.ml avatar

Mexico?? Yooo!

Also? LGBTQIABRICS+ has a nice ring to it

AlbigensianGhoul,
@AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml avatar

There are two identities, queer and third worlder. All else is made up.

kfet, to worldnews in Colombian President: West’s Economic Blockade Against Venezuela is Reason Behind Migration Crisis
@kfet@lemmy.ca avatar

Working as intended then.

moog, to worldnews in Unveiling the ‘Wikipedia Game’: CIA and FBI Use Web Encyclopedia for Information Warfare

about half of this article is about Musky bois “Twitter Files” Im not sure how much I believe the other half unfortunately. the Twitter files were lukewarm at best.

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