Peace in Israel would shift attention back to Ukraine. I’m fairly sure the US doesn’t want that. There are 5.8 million Jewish people in America, compared to about 1 million Ukrainians. It’s clear which conflict the US would rather have dominating domestic media.
China is the largest producer and consumer of hydrogen globally, but less than 0.1 percent of the hydrogen it produces comes from renewable energy sources.
You can’t just compare the number of facilities, you have to compare the size and the output of these facilities. The article is talking about production of green hydrogen. I think you still haven’t read it.
It can both currently produce only 0.1% of hydrogen using a green process, while also developing a new process that is 99.9% green (for the hydrogren that it produces using the new process). That means the overall production right now is probably still ~0.1% green, but the point of the article seems to be that they hope to transition to this new process, which sounds pretty cool.
And to also knock out a few other misunderstandings, I’ll also address your comment below: The stats you link are for the number of plants, not the volume of production or consumption (what is claimed). Both stats can be correct if China has large plants that produce more volume than in other countries. But better yet, we don’t even have to root around for the details - the article cites it’s source: the World Economic Forum’s latest whitepaper (June 27, 2023), which in turn cites statistica “Global Hydrogen Consumption By Country”. So there you have it - China out-consumes hydrogen at a rate of about 2-times that of the next largest consumer (the United States). That seems to track pretty well, since both countries are similarly developed, and China is about 4x the size of the US by population. If you wanted to split hairs, you could say that this doesn’t include volume of production. Given the incredible lead in consumption volume, I’m willing to grant them that omission.
And, not chalking this up to you, but I’ve seen other replies in here about how China is somehow cooking the books. That’s becoming more and more obviously wrong (and more than a bit racist). As one indicator, their universities occupy 8 of the top 20 institutions in the Nature index. For those unaware, this is a premier British-based peer-reviewed journal that releases a ranking of academic institutions based on their publishing to high-impact journals. China’s year-over-year change also means that they’re rising on that list rapidly.
That would be an awesome stat, but it’s not what the article claims. I explained that above.
But because the topic has caught my interest I did some more digging. The only report I found was linked on Wikipedia, which says that 0.1% of all hydrogen globally is produced using renewable energy. This is the same figure China claims they produce, so by volume I would expect the total volume to be proportional to the production/consumption, which would mean China still would produce approximately 2x the next biggest producer. There could still be other countries punching way above their weight, but given the incredibly low net green production globally, we’d be splitting hairs over what amounts to research plant production. You’re welcome to continue searching for more specific reporting.
Now, given that we’ve found ourselves on a tangent sparked by a misunderstanding of the article, trying to compare countries on a metric that amounts to 0.1% of production, I would say it would be a better use of both of our time to focus on how we get the other 99.9% of production over to green production. Given this article, China seems to be approaching that problem ambitiously and I’m glad to see it. To address climate change we absolutely need China to invest in green tech, so this article should only be received positively. I’m looking forward to tracking the progress, because it looks like there’s a lot of opportunity to improve globally.
Or there is a middle ground where you’ll actually get a nuanced take?
I’m mostly curious about what they’re going to do with the hydrogen. Fuel cells? No hydrogen tech I know off has really proven scalable, reliable and cost effective. And while hydrogen generation was part of the issue it wasn’t the biggest one. I’m also keen to understand if they use fresh water or salt water. The latter then there is potential for a energy neutral or positive even desalination process which would be massive for large swaths of Africa.
Another good use is in combination with wind and solar where you can produce hydrogen when there’s energy available, and then use it to provide a steady energy supply. This addresses one of the main issues with renewables.
They don’t have many buses like that yet and buses are always near population centers where using food waste to make biogas is simply much better in almost every way.
As for storing excess energy sure if we’re talking solar generation but they use a lot of hydrogen too for this project and in that case pumping water up to the dam is a much easier and probably more efficient than generating hydrogen and either using it to run an engine or store in fuel cells. Fuel cells aren’t all that efficient. Overall a lot of money spent that will not at all pay for itself for that use case.
I really struggle with why they’ve gone so heavily into generating hydrogen when there is a big lack of viable use cases. Though they’re far from alone in overestimating hydrogen, BMW and Toyota both invested heavily in fuel cell research (and BMW experimented with direct hydrogen use) and neither came out the other end a winner.
China is pursuing lots of different energy alternatives to fossil fuels. That’s the correct approach in my opinion. We don’t know what particular approach or combination of thereof will be most efficient in the long term, the only way to find out is to try different things and see where you get. Thinking of it purely in terms of profits is a bit myopic.
It’s also just a good idea to try out a lot of things and see what sticks. We never know what might turn out to have an unexpected application in one niche. Global warming requires “all of the above” strategy. That will mean some efforts fail to produce results, but that’s okay. We don’t have the time to dawdle.
Well from reading the article like a big boy I’ve learned that it’s pure freshwater they use which is expected but lame.
As for what they’re going to use it for that remains mostly a mystery. The world total for hydrogen fuel cell cars is 67,000 which is virtually nil and China aims for 50,000 of their own by 2025 which is also virtually nil. For reference they had estimated around 300 million cars 2021 and that number is on a rapid growth. 50,000 is less than 0,02%…
Further a hydrogen pipeline is not something I’d like to live near, I get it must exist for hydrogen tech to work but china + hydrogen pipeline is just a headline waiting to be written.
Personally I think they’re betting on the wrong horse
I’d say “they” might try? But no western country’s government has an iron grip on what news is reported/propagated in their respective countries like China does.
Oh look. Assange. Again. It’s like when you click on a link hoping someone’s been more clever than to try rickrolling again, but they haven’t.
It’s worth noting that there has been plenty of criticism from leading US journalism outlets over the handling of Assange’s case. Answer honestly, would you ever see that in China?
Criticism of the handling of a journalist is not the same as criticism of war crimes and black ops carried out by the government. Assange was imprisoned because he was exposing the lies, deceptions and horrible actions the US empire was (is, of course, too) carrying out. Good luck finding information about China massacring civilians when they invade a country with an army and steal their resources. A hint, it’s not going to happen.
Assange was imprisoned because he was exposing the lies, deceptions and horrible actions the US empire was (is, of course, too) carrying out.
Is that so? Then why do other journalistic outlets routinely get damning leaks without having legal action brought against them? Why is Assange the only example of a journalist prosecuted by the US that ever gets brought up?
Calling whataboutism is a logical fallacy used to justify having different standards for yourself and your adversaries. Anybody using whataboutism in place of an actual can be safely dismissed as a troll. Meanwhile, western media is certainly no less biased than CGTN and has been caught lying about China repeatedly.
Calling whataboutism is a logical fallacy used to justify having different standards for yourself and your adversaries. Anybody using whataboutism in place of an actual can be safely dismissed as a troll. Meanwhile, western media is certainly no less biased than CGTN and has been caught lying about China repeatedly.
What are you on? Whataboutism is not a logical fallacy. We are talking about the bias of CGTN, and you say “what about western media?” Yeah western media are also biased, but it doesn’t take away the fact that CGTN is a heavily biased media outlet, highly biased towards positive chinese news. I never mentioned any western media or said they were superior, but to avoid talking about this difficult topic, you change the narrative. Did I mention anything about western media? No! Because that’s not the topic.
Whataboutism is not a logical fallacy. Far from it. Whataboutism has been heavily documented as a propaganda technique by many sociologists and rhetoric scientists:
The actual propaganda technique is calling whataboutism when confronted with the fact that you’re being a hypocrite. It’s a well known technique used to deflect any criticism of the US regime.
The fallacy of screeching whataboutism is in the use of a double standard for oneself and ones adversaries. If you screech that CGTN has bias, while similar level of bias exists in western media then what exactly is the point you’re making.
In fact, simply screeching that CGTN has bias without addressing the content of the article is a form of ad hominem fallacy. You are dismissing the content of the article by attacking the source and claiming that it’s biased. You didn’t actually engage with the topic at all or show what this supposed bias is in relation to the topic. All your comment attempts to do is to shut down discussion because by attacking the source.
This is just whataboutism. Talking about the Chnia doesn’t remove any critique of the UK. We were talking about UK here. And BBC (the news source which was linked) has a documented bias towards the UK.
I know you’re being sarcastic, but I’m not. My friend posted on Twitter and Reddit, among other sites. Go to the CD website and apply. You can also apply at CGTN. Why do Xi’s PR work for free?
Not everyone who works there is a true believer but a few are and they get to advance over time.
I love how you’re just doing a low key smear on me here, and you probably think you’re being really clever in the process. It’s kind of adorable really.
I am not trying to smear you… I assumed you were getting paid because you post quite often and your English reads native level. Who has that kind of time to defend a government trey don’t live under?
I’m also not joking. I really recommend you look at state media jobs. You get a visa to live in Beijing, free housing, top-line private health insurance (because even CPC knows Chinese public healthcare is terrible), and a regular paycheck. It’s a great deal. I lived in the CD employee housing and was quite satisfied with it. Beijing is a fun place to live, and the expat scene is among the best I’ve encountered.
I left for Shanghai and that’s a whole other crazy story.
If you earnestly support the CPC, why not consider moving there? There’s a lot to like
I am not trying to smear you… I assumed you were getting paid because you post quite often and your English reads native level. Who has that kind of time to defend a government trey don’t live under?
I’m also not joking. I really recommend you look at state media jobs. You get a visa to live in Beijing, free housing, top-line private health insurance (because even CPC knows Chinese public healthcare is terrible), and a regular paycheck. It’s a great deal. I lived in the CD employee housing and was quite satisfied with it. Beijing is a fun place to live, and the expat scene is among the best I’ve encountered.
I left for Shanghai and that’s a whole other crazy story.
If you earnestly support the CPC, why not consider moving there? There’s a lot to like
Again, this is the most surreal conversation I’ve had in a while. Plenty of people discuss politics nowadays and China in particular given that it acts as the main counter to US led world order. You can go to Lemmygrad and see plenty of people discussing China all the time, I assure you we’re not getting paid for it.
The reason I personally feel strongly about the subject is because I grew up in USSR, and saw my country destroyed through liberalism and western intervention. I personally suffered living through the collapse, and when my family moved to the west I was frankly shocked to see the insane things people believed about USSR here. I see a lot of the same smears being used against China today, and this is a personal subject for me.
I have friends from China, I have a pretty good idea of what life there is actually like. China is by no means perfect, but it’s nothing like what western media paints it and what people living in the west believe about it.
Finally, I certainly would like to move to China at some point. However, it’s not easy to just uproot yourself and move half way across the world. I have friends and family where I live, people depend on me. I can’t just up and move no matter how much I’d like to. Also, even learning the language is a challenge. I’ve been studying Mandarin for over a year now, and I’m just becoming minimally conversational in it.
Yeah I’m sure that life under the USSR was definitely better than the bullshit that came next. Albanians are living with similar headaches now, but lucky enough to live in a place that’s largely inconsequential on the world stage.
Anyway I’m not here to debate the merits of your worldview or reasons for supporting the CPC. I was genuinely curious whether you worked at state media and whether we may know some folks in common. This is my first time in such an online community
Good luck with your Mandarin. I could never get the hang of it, but most of my friends seemed capable of basic conversation and they always told me how easy it is.
I definitely don’t find it easy, but it is doable. The writing is the really hard part for me. If I actually did move to China, I want to be able to communicate with people fluently.
Most of the folks I know there who speak well never bother learning to read and write characters. I can’t blame them. It’s a huge commitment to learn a non-phonetic language. But it was funny to watch them be as clueless as me when we walk through a supermarket
I do know one guy who became so fluent that he earned their equivalent of a green card (almost unheard of).
It seems doable, I can probably recognize around a thousand characters or so at this point, and using pinyin as input means I can skip learning how to write the characters which seems to be the hardest part. And I’m not on Wechat.
In China, low-to-middle income people actually have deeply subsidized or sometimes no rent payments. Their apartments aren’t the best, but they’re not slums either
Yeah, FICO points are a social scoring system created by the West, it’s a joke because Westerners thing le ebil communism gives social points to citizens for doing pro government stuff. They are so alienated from their bourgeois dictatorships they can’t fathom people actually liking their government.
So many privacy-focused tech-people have focused on software only, because its at least somewhere that they can make a positive contribution, but in all likelihood, something we can’t mess with, the hardware, has backdoors and spying. Everything from CPUs, radios, and even hard drives likely have backdoors.
There’s pretty much no way around that until we get competing non-western-owned hardware industries, which rn, only china and india are attempting.
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