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sadreality, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!

You will use the internet and I will creep on your every move because you are a pleb.

Ain't creepy at all imho

BenVimes, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!

I’m always a bit amused when these sites and apps say things like, “If you turn off ad personalization, the ads you see won’t be as useful to you.”

My dude, I don’t think I’ve ever willingly clicked on an ad in my entire life. “Personalizing” them won’t change that.

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

I used to sometimes. When there was a simple, clean ad for something I was interested in, I would click through.

Mind you, this was in an era when the internet amounted to strings and cans because I’m a fucking dinosaur. Since then, ads first went obnoxious and loud, then they got plastered everywhere, then they started being invasive.

Fuck ads at this point. There’s nothing good in them for us at all.

danielbln,

I don’t know, ads were always dog shit. Yeah you had your static banners and what not, but I remember the popup wars from the 90s.

variants,

I was always told clicking on ad’s will give you viruses and sign you up to dick medicines

southsamurai,
@southsamurai@sh.itjust.works avatar

Yup, the last time I clicked an ad was before that :)

Rouxibeau,

I don’t even click those. I’ll rarely navigate to their site manually.

KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,
@KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

In a way I kind of miss the old banner ads. Smack the monkey and win $1,000,000 or whatever it was. I swear I hit that monkey so many times.

Now I can’t even read a page without pop up after pop up on top of the embedded ads in between every two sentence paragraph.

d3Xt3r,

I used to click on ads back in the day when you’d get paid for it (I was a poor school student, don’t judge. :p).

HughJanus,

Even if any of these companies were any good at ad targeting, I wouldn’t want “personalized” ads anyway cuz I’d just spend more money.

luciferofastora,

but but but but you’d get something good for it! You would never have missed it, but maybe you just didn’t know you wanted it? Come on, I’m sure consuming shit that will make you happy twice for two minutes each (once when clicking buy, once when getting and opening the package) will fill that hole in your soul! Spending money on stuff you don’t actually need is good!

(That was sarcasm, if it wasn’t clear enough.)

JeffCraig,

True. The only personalized ads I ever receive are for products I literally just purchased.

I don’t know how there’s so much money in the ad space. It just seems like a huge waste.

HughJanus,

A lot of times people will visit a website for a product they’re interested in and may not immediately pull the trigger. When they see it later 3-4 more times, the chances of conversion are way higher.

Google probably doesn’t really know if you purchased the product, and may not care, as you may want to purchase another.

I’m sure it’s like gambling and microtransactions where the vast majority of income is derived from a small minority of people who aren’t bothered by the onslaught of ads shoved down their throats.

ChamrsDeluxe,

Only did it once. The Rest EverCool comforter ad I kept seeing. Looked up a bunch of reviews and as someone who is a very hot sleeper. I can’t recommend it enough. It’s the softest coolest blanket I’ve ever felt. Every square inch is as cool as the other side of the pillow.

krush_groove,

Upvoted for saying the phrase “as cool as the other side of the pillow”. Heard that once when someone was talking about a sports commentator and haven’t forgotten it in probably 35 years at least.

ChamrsDeluxe,

I remember it from Billy and Mandy. But it’s a fun saying.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

ESPN’s Stuart Scott used this as his catchphrase starting in the mid-'90s, so not quite 35 years (but damn close). Like all ESPN catchphrases, it was clever and funny the first time, not so much the next 5000 times.

Rozz,

I see an ad and I zone out or ignore it.

wtypstanaccount04,
@wtypstanaccount04@hexbear.net avatar

you are not immune to propaganda

LoreleiSankTheShip,
@LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m not sure this applies to stuff like ads. Like, if you always prioritize foss and ethically sourced products, ads can’t really persuade you to buy certain things. And you make those decisions by doing research and buying local, or even better, making as much stuff as you can yourself.

Corkyskog,

Or you could just hate shopping. I hate it all, online, in store. I end up doing way too much research and it’s too mentally taxing. I buy a phone like once every 7 years because the stress of just shopping for it is annoying, not to mention the actual process of switching.

I really need to buy clothes again… but that’s like my least favorite thing to shop for…

LoreleiSankTheShip,
@LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml avatar

Oh, I totally get you! I hate shopping as well, even though it’s a necessity. In fact, I dislike it so much that I’m actually learning to make my own clothes. I realise this isn’t for everyone and that not everybody has the time, but I’m sure there’s stuff that you can do on your own that you may actually enjoy!

Have a nice day!

Corkyskog,

That’s cool! I am guessing you’re female? Women’s clothes seems to be easier to make in my experience. Making a pair of men’s pants was a challenge, the materials were expensive and they didn’t even come out that great, and I almost never wear them.

A sundress is like 10x easier to sew than a pair of pants.

archomrade,

Targeted ads are designed to make you feel inadequate or incomplete. Even if it doesn’t convince you to buy the product advertised, it can still shift your expectations and world-view just by normalizing a certain type of consumption (or attitude, or media, ect).

Just because you don’t spend money, doesn’t mean ads aren’t still subtly manipulating your expectations.

It is a trillion dollar a year industry for a reason.

NoGodsNoMasters,

It also just lets you know the product exists or reminds you of it while strengthening certain associations in your brain. I know I can’t think of VPNs without thinking of NordVPN and if I were to decide I want one, I don’t think there would be a chance it didn’t at least occur to me to maybe look into

archomrade,

And you almost certainly leave thinking you aren’t being careful enough with your privacy and you should look into getting a VPN. Works the same with any ad, or even a promoted social media post. “You’ll like this thing because of how we know you think of yourself.”

It’s pernicious and erodes everyone’s ability to be happy and content, no matter how resistant you think you are to advertisements.

Corkyskog,

I see an ad and wonder why my ad blocker failed.

ChickenLadyLovesLife,

I don’t think I’ve ever willingly clicked on an ad in my entire life

Same here and I’ve certainly never purchased anything through an ad. You’d think there’d be some advantage for advertising networks to identify people (there are dozens of us!) who never click on ads and refrain from serving any to them - and use this as a selling point for ad buyers so that their expenditures are not wasted.

CalcProgrammer1,
@CalcProgrammer1@lemmy.ml avatar

Just because you don’t click on an ad doesn’t mean it didn’t work though. If you see an ad for Coke you may not click on it to order a case of Coke online right away, but when you go out to lunch maybe you’ll fill your cup with Coke.

I mention food ads because I feel they are particularly effective for this type of behavior. You don’t need to click on a food ad, but I know I’ve had a craving for a certain restaurant or food from seeing it mentioned online (whether an ad or just a comment/post) and then gone to get that food for dinner.

Of course, this type of ad result is very difficult to track.

lukini, (edited )
@lukini@beehaw.org avatar

Ads work on the general population or else these companies would stop paying for them.

Landrin201,
@Landrin201@lemmy.ml avatar

Basically the only times I click on ads is when I’m searching for something and the search engine I’m using has paid ads for the thing I’m searching for at the top.

Beyond that I can’t think of any times I’ve ever clicked on an ad intentionally.

Salix,

The only time I click on ads are on websites that actually have people buying ad space on websites that make sense.

Like… Fountain pen ads on fountain pen blogs. Or Linux product ads on Linux learning websites.

Vilian,

it’s not about your clicks, it’s to influence you, it can influence people in multiple degree, maybe next type when you go buy something think about it

N1cknamed,
@N1cknamed@feddit.nl avatar

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  • TheChargedCreeper864,

    Used to think otherwise, that I was immune to the phenomenon that you’re describing. But then the other day I realised my shoes were hurting my feet. I was seriously considering buying shoe inserts (if that’s their English name), even had the brand in mind, until I realised what was happening.

    I’ve seen ads for this brand on tv like a decade ago. Before that, I honestly had no clue such things existed, I’d seen them in a store like, twice. Never seen anything related to them ever since. Literally forgot about them until I felt the slightest urge to buy them. I was really taken aback when I realised what had happened in my “advertising-immune” mind

    rothaine,

    Fuckin love pink ladies

    irmoz,

    It isn’t one or the other. They’re trying to both persuade you and develop brand awareness. But they’ll settle for brand awareness.

    Hello_there, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!

    Who the duck thinks ad personalization is a good thing. I'm glad YouTube shows me ads for seniors on Medicare. It keeps me disaffected and hating ads.

    BobbyBandwidth,
    @BobbyBandwidth@lemmy.world avatar

    If you weren’t aware uBlock will block YouTube ads

    theodewere, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
    @theodewere@kbin.social avatar

    i'd like to smack them on the nose with my government

    gabriele97, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
    @gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top avatar

    This is why I decided to migrate to Firefox a few days ago

    sadreality,

    Next stop Linux.

    Rade0nfighter,

    +1. People often don’t realise they can just try it on a usb stick (and often easily install alongside windows osx)!

    gabriele97,
    @gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top avatar

    I am already on Linux so I am ok on that side 😎

    qaz,

    Great choice, it pairs well with uBlock origin

    gabriele97,
    @gabriele97@lemmy.g97.top avatar

    Yep and PiHole just to cover other devices too

    melonpunk, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
    @melonpunk@lemmy.world avatar

    How kind of it to think about your privacy. Such a nice google. /s

    Frederic, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!

    me hugs Firefox

    theshatterstone54,

    Which is literally kept alive by Google. They have a monopoly, stop deluding yourself intot hinking there are any good guys (except maybe the Librewolf, Mullvad, and Tor devs)

    Marxine,
    @Marxine@lemmy.ml avatar

    Librewolf is based on FF, you know right? Mozilla does receive Google funding (that’s why their default search engine is Google), but adopting FF and derivatives is also about Chromium not being the single dominant engine: that would only strengthen Google’s monopoly.

    As long as we don’t use Chromium-based browsers (and Google services) we’re doing good against Google’s monopoly already.

    theshatterstone54,

    While I agree, most people fail to see the bigger picture. They use Firefox to prevent Chromium from having a monopoly for browser features, but what they fail to see is that in most cases, Google already has full control. If Chromium browsers get a feature, Firefox will inevitably implement it in Gecko and the browser so that users don’t say things like “Firefox sucks”. Firefox does not suck, Google and their monopolistic practices suck. Now it does provide some practical benefit, for example when Google decides to introduce a more restricted version of a pre existing feature, Firefox can opt to keep on using tje less restricted version as well. The most prominent example of this is the whole Manifest v3 mess. But with something like Web Environment Integrity (or as many, myself included, call it, DRM for the Web), Firefox will inevitably adopt it after Google does, so as to not have users upset and leaving.

    Marxine,
    @Marxine@lemmy.ml avatar

    I agree with what’s gonna happen. At the same time, I guess Mozilla won’t make it hard for “Google’s web DRM” to be either toggled off via user config, or sandboxed from user data. They have interest in catering to people fed up with Google’s constant privacy invasions, so I’m currently waiting to see their next actions with moderate confidence and a healthy dose of skepticism as well.

    theshatterstone54,

    Yeah, I’d say that’s the best stance for anyone to take, as a user

    AlpacaChariot, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!

    Why are you using chrome if you care about things like this?

    WarmSoda,

    They’re at work.

    AlpacaChariot,

    What kind of cruel IT person installs Chrome and forbids Firefox

    spamfodder,

    @AlpacaChariot @WarmSoda

    the kind that doesn't know 'bout 'portable apps', which is what i did when the ITs did that to me back then.

    subtext,

    In IT’s defense, there are a lot of REALLY stupid people. Plus given the added cost of developing internal apps that work for both, I can understand why corporations would choose to lock you into Chromium. I don’t like it, and I wish there was more trust in the end user, but I do get it.

    sugar_in_your_tea,

    A lot. My IT company does the same. Fortunately, my team got an exception and we don’t use IT’s computers, but instead we manage it ourselves.

    So I use macOS for work, while the rest of the company is on locked down Windows. I’d prefer Linux, but beggars can’t be choosers.

    wizardbeard,
    @wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    The kind that needs to maintain their users’ access to lazy shitty vendors who only develop their sites for the browser with the largest market share.

    Half the vendors we use webapps/websites from jumped to Chrome when IE was dying, the other held on to IE kicking and screaming until forced out, then jumped to Chrome. They aren’t going to spend the resources to ensure cross compatability unless they have significant financial incentive to, and they don’t. And IT isn’t going to tell the business side to forget about getting work done until they find a better vendor just because IT wants to make a stand on browser vendors.

    NOT_RICK, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
    @NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

    This is why I use Firefox

    theshatterstone54,

    Please disable firefox telemetry if u care abt ur privacy

    Marxine,
    @Marxine@lemmy.ml avatar

    I mean, at least FF allows that. Hardened FF is a blessing.

    korun,

    I never understood what is so problematic about anonymized telemetry, especially for a open-source product.

    It provides a really valuable feedback for developers regarding feature usage, performance and error logs – you get the product for free so give something back.

    Rade0nfighter,

    Exactly! It’s more “Help me help you” than anything nefarious.

    theshatterstone54,

    While it is mostly helpful, I still do it. To be honest, I would have been alright with it if it was a little more relaxed. What I mean by that is I’m okay with opt out, as long as it’s a product I trust, and I would say I do trust Firefox as a project (Not too sure about the Corporation, the Foundation is fine). What I’m not fine with is the “Data will be deleted within 30 days”. What if someone does not want to give that data in the first place, huh? I’m okay with it, because it’s Firefox, but many people arent, so it’s a matter principle for the people that aren’t. So if someone didn’t want any telemetry collected on them, that telemetry has not only been collected, but is now stored on Mozilla servers for 30 days, which means they can use it for analytics, whether you like it or not. Again, I don’t care, because it’s Firefox, but for the people that do, at the very least, don’t give me or them or anyone else fhat “We will delete within 30 days” thing. Automate it and do it now.

    HughJanus,

    Plain Jane Firefox ain’t any better than Chrome. Just putting your info in a different database.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    Would you rather your data be sent to a browser company or the largest advertising agency in the world?

    … Tell me again how these are the same?

    HughJanus,

    That’s a false dichotomy. I’d rather it not be sent to anyone…

    Your data isn’t just sent to a browser company. The browser company shares all of it with an ad agency.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    You said “isn’t any better” than chrome. Given the choice between the two, there is clearly a better option

    HughJanus,

    In regards to privacy, I disagree.

    That ad company is probably just selling your data back to Google anyway.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    … the ad company IS Google

    Firefox collects diagnostics and some usage data, not browsing history, Google collects absolutely anything and everything.

    Their primary, nor secondary, source of revenue is not selling your data. You can also disable it entirely pretty easily. You cannot do that in Chrome.

    Given the two options, one is clearly better.

    HughJanus,

    the ad company IS Google

    No it’s not. It’s called admarketplace

    Firefox collects diagnostics and some usage data, not browsing history,

    They collect everything. It’s all spelled out in no uncertain terms in their privacy policy. I’d suggest you have a look.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    No it’s not. It’s called admarketplace

    Uh. Google is an advertising agency. Their entire business model is collecting data. Chrome is made by Google, ergo the ad company that Chrome uses is Google because Chrome is Google.

    They collect everything

    Nowhere does it say they collect browsing history. There are multiple places across their site where they explicitly say they do not.

    HughJanus,

    Chrome is Google.

    I obviously wasn’t talking about Google.

    Nowhere does it say they collect browsing history

    Yes it does.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    Do you even remember what conversation we were having?

    HughJanus,

    Yeah I’m not engaging in these sort of rhetorical questions. Goodbye.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    That’s the sound of someone who realizes they forgot what conversation they were having and refused to admit it. That’s okay, it happens to the best of us

    flop_leash_973,

    The browser company in question is primarily funded by the advertising company in question.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    Doesn’t really make a difference. Google pays to keep their search engine the default, same as they do for Apple.

    Snipe_AT, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
    @Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev avatar

    “new privacy feature” and then “sites you visit can determine what you like”

    translated: “this new privacy feature reduces the amount privacy you have!!! what a great thing you like!!!”

    name_NULL111653,

    Idk why the heck you just got downvoted into oblivion for pointing out the irony in google calling this a “privacy feature.” Good old reddit moment it seems.

    Snipe_AT,
    @Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev avatar

    lol it’s no worries. actually I have the privilege of being bot-downvoted by CCP sympathizers because of comments on this post lemmy.world/post/2338419, there is also the possibility that I’m just an asshole.

    WarmSoda,

    Damn, you’re still copy pasting that? That link doesn’t even go anywhere lol

    roguetrick,

    He thinks he's getting bot downvoted, but there's actually people invested enough to stalk him. Cute.

    WarmSoda,

    Yeah, he’s definitely “important”

    roguetrick,

    I don't particularly care about your or his internet spats or attempt to control the all important narrative on lemmy. You are the one giving him rent free space in your brain and on your keyboard though.

    WarmSoda,

    Lol wat

    Snipe_AT,
    @Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev avatar

    didn’t think about it like that! i feel loved :)

    Snipe_AT,
    @Snipe_AT@lemmy.atay.dev avatar

    See WarmSoda!? This is why I shouldn’t have stopped. People ask this question, your advice was wrong! I’m going to continue what I was doing before you called me stupid.

    edit: The link points to lemmy.world which is intermittently getting DDOS’ed.


    Please ignore my negative initial vote score, as I have the privilege of being bot-downvoted by CCP sympathizers because of comments on this post lemmy.world/post/2338419, there is also the possibility that I’m just an asshole.

    aebletrae, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!
    @aebletrae@hexbear.net avatar

    Ah, Enhanced, the folks that brought us interrogation.

    jimrob4, to technology in New! From Google! "Enhanced" ad privacy!

    This is why I use Linux at home, along with TOR and a VPN. I’m not doing anything other than looking up woodworking and camping stuff, but fuck all ya’ll for being nosy.

    senoro,

    Literally Ron Swanson

    LetterboxPancake,

    There are worse fates.

    jimrob4,

    My dude. All the feels right here.

    www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/07/ron-moved.gif

    Bread,

    Same here I only do mild stuff like look at computer parts, servers and burglar tools. Damn nosy bastards.

    porksoda,

    What’s the benefit of Tor and a VPN? Isn’t a VPN sufficient?

    sugar_in_your_tea,

    That really depends on what you’re trying to do.

    A VPN just makes it look like you’re somewhere else, but it doesn’t really add any amount of anonymity. You’ll still get tracked around the Internet like you normally would, but sites will just think you’re somewhere else.

    Tor is an anonymizing network, so your traffic gets mixed with a bunch of other people’s traffic so websites get really confused about where you are. It’s almost impossible to track someone using Tor because Tor will change how your packets are routed from request to request.

    So if you just want to get access to different Netflix shows, a VPN is probably what you want. If you want to truly be anonymous, you need Tor. Just know that anonymity through Tor comes at a price, a lot of sites block Tor traffic, and performance is nothing to write home about because your traffic is routed through a bunch of other people’s machines.

    jimrob4,

    Doubly paranoid, doubly protected. Lol.

    PP_BOY_,
    @PP_BOY_@lemmy.world avatar

    Ironically enough, using a VPN makes TOR protection weaker

    silas,
    @silas@programming.dev avatar

    Can you explain this, or point me in the right direction to learn more?

    hrimfaxi_work, to 196 in rule
    @hrimfaxi_work@midwest.social avatar

    Reer.

    Mdotaut801, to aww in Nilla is very proud of her work in the garden

    That’s a small ass hole.

    WhyIDie, to aww in Nilla is very proud of her work in the garden

    she did a great job as branch manager

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