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Ironfist, to pics in Trump's mug shot

I’ve been waiting for this day for so long, seeing this wannabe dictator commit crime after crime with no consequences and hearing so many people saying this would never happen, but here we are. Cheers my American neighbors! This is a good day for democracy!

jtk,
@jtk@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Isn’t this like the 3rd mug shot over the past few months, or did we not get to see those? I’ve lost track.

m4xie,

Those places forwent the mugshot. Georgia stated they would treat him as any other defendant, so this is his first.

jtk,
@jtk@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

In hindsight, that should have been obvious from today’s uproar.

Mouselemming,

I’d forgotten about “forwent,” I’m going to have to keep it in my mental cheek pouches for crosswords and other word games.

Fraylor,

“Mental cheek pouches” is a genius term. Stolen.

randomsnark,

Stolen

You mean stashed in your mental cheek pouches.

macrocephalic,

To be fair, the mugshot is for identification and it’s not like you need a photo of the Cheeto to identify him. What I want is a prison ID photo after being hosted down and de-loused (I know that’s just a movie trope, but I still want it)

scottywh,

Delousing in jails is not just a movie trope.

Hosing down? Got me there.

watson387,
@watson387@sopuli.xyz avatar

The delousing is real. No hose-down though. They do make you scrub up in ice cold shower water though.

Nastybutler,

The other ones didn’t take mugshots

weedazz,

I agree, but is this a consequence tho

elbarto777,

That’s what op is saying.

demlet,

I agree, but also a tragic day. This does nothing to reduce the polarization or convince his misguided followers of anything. Trump might go away but his voters won’t. We have decades of this to look forward to. It’s a step in the right direction at least…

teuast,

I wholeheartedly disagree that it’s a tragic day. The tragedies happened when he committed his crimes and got away with them for years. This is just the beginning of resolution.

Zink,

Exactly right. Saying this mugshot is a tragedy is like saying it’s a tragedy when somebody with cancer finally qualifies for the surgery to remove the tumor.

CharlesDarwin,
@CharlesDarwin@lemmy.world avatar

Oh well, if he was allowed to get off without any consequences, it would be far, far worse.

eestileib,

The alternative is worse.

labrat55,

The consequences of national polarization may, in the long term, make Trump’s actions look small.

This arrest certainly pushes us closer to the edge. Whether that will lead us back to normalcy or over and down is yet to be seen.

teuast,

And it would be better for national unity if one party was allowed to get away with committing crimes without facing consequences?

kamenlady,
@kamenlady@lemmy.world avatar

But that’s not the point. Him getting away with it or not, is one thing. The people standing in front of the Jail since 10 am, waiting for him to show up. Eager and sincerely wanting to show him their support. Firm in their belief that he cares or needs the support.

Half of the nation really wants someone like him to be president.

And they stand even stronger by his side, after these last weeks.

This is the tragic message and important lesson from this.

hydrospanner,

Half of the nation really wants someone like him to be president.

Not even half of likely voters.

yawn,

We keep saying “half of the nation” but he’s never won a popular vote. It’s a cognitive distortion

PearlsSwineEtc,

I’ve been thinking lately that if Nixon hadn’t been pardoned, we never would have been here today.

GladiusB,
@GladiusB@lemmy.world avatar

I am going to disagree with you here. This is a long process. This teachers our kids about consequence. There is a lot more gears spinning than just punishing the big Cheeto.

7heo, (edited ) to privacy in I asked them to delete my data, they said "Install our app"

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Nelots,

Man, Elon really does ruin everything. Can’t even use X as a variable anymore without a disclaimer.

derpgon,

“As you can see on this graph, the Twitter axis represents time, and the Y axis represents total number of unique visitors”

driving_crooner,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

It’s causing hell of problems to mathematicians worldwide.

PersnickityPenguin,

Suddenly, every math formula ever written is subject to copyright and royalties.

AMillionNames,

They are left asking Y.

Hamartiogonic,
@Hamartiogonic@sopuli.xyz avatar

How about using a programmer style variables like badCompanyName. You don’t have to be a mathematician. Sure, I can totally appreciate concise names, but some times you have to use longer names to avoid collisions.

Thisfox,

I prefer [insertconpanynamehere] but in this case name and shame almost seems more appropriate.

library_napper,
@library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

Csmel case isn’t POSIX complaint. Underscores ftw /s

ultratiem,
@ultratiem@lemmy.ca avatar

Fuck that, I refuse to give him the letter. He can pry it from my cold dead hands as he chokes on my liver!

Daaric,

An X is an X, the social network shall be known as X, formerly Twitter /J

shasta,

It is an ex-social-platform. It is now a pile of garbage.

troyunrau,
@troyunrau@lemmy.ca avatar

It was always a pile of garbage…

01189998819991197253,
@01189998819991197253@infosec.pub avatar

Good point. Now it is a steaming pile of hot garbage. Haha

echodot,

Too true.

There is some arguement to be made that Facebook was kind of good at first. It was useful and it had social impacts that were positive. Over time it became toxic.

Twitter was awful from day one though, mostly because it was bloody useless from day one. Everything that anybody used it for could have been done, and generally was also done, on Facebook, so there was literally no point in the platform.

library_napper,
@library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

This is why I always call it twitter. X is a variable

echodot,

It’s new name is “X, formally known as Twitter”. Which is what every news website on the planet calls it.

Regardless the fact that X is a stupid name for a company, it’s also dumb to rename a popular company generally anyway.

library_napper,
@library_napper@monyet.cc avatar

“Twitter” is shorter

captain_aggravated, to linuxmemes in There's still room for improvement, but Linux gaming has come a long way in a short time.
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

In the time I have been a Linux gamer, it has gone from “here is a list of games that work in Linux” to “here is a list of games that do not work in Linux.” Which some dictionaries define as “progress.”

atmur,

That’s a perfect way to put it. From constantly relying on ProtonDB to occasionally checking areweanticheatyet.com.

RubberElectrons,
@RubberElectrons@lemmy.world avatar

Oh I’d never even heard of that second site haha.

Synnr,

That’s crazy! When I was last trying to run Linux full time in ~2014, you had WINE and then a commercial version of WINE (not by the WINE devs, but because WINE is licensed the way it is and is open source…) that would run a few more things, but I don’t remember what it was called.

So glad to hear it’s progressing this quickly and far.

atmur,

a commercial version of WINE

That would be CrossOver by CodeWeavers. They’re actually a huge contributor to upstream Wine and have worked with Valve (and I think Collabora?) several times over the past few years. I’m kind of tempted to buy a copy of CrossOver to support them even though I’d never use it, lol

DJDarren,

I think that a good chunk of Apple’s GPTK is based on the work that CodeWeavers have done, which has made me tempted to shell out for Crossover too. £60 is a fair old chunk just to play games on my Mac though.

Synnr,

That’s right! That’s what it was. Seemed like WINE with some pre-set tweaks per game, but they were clearly doing a lot more.

captain_aggravated,
@captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works avatar

I started out in 2014, and pretty much what I did was look to see if there was a Steam logo on the Steam store page to indicate Linux compatibility. With Proton in the last few years, I just don’t really worry about it. I will say my tastes have just about always lined up with the kinds of games, the kinds of studios, that are likely to publish for Linux, the nerd shit like Kerbal Space Program and Factorio. I don’t play Call of Fifa, Modern Fortnite or whatever.

Chee_Koala,

What about Red Theft Autoredemption, or Overwatch of Legends? 😆

aard,
@aard@kyu.de avatar

“Did Loki port it?”, which was a very short list, plus a few exceptions like Quake.

cloudy1999,

In 2003, it was my dream to play FF7 in Linux. In 2019, my dream came true. Thanks Proton, Codeweavers, Wine, Valve, et al for helping me finally put down Sephiroth right.

WhiskyTangoFoxtrot,

There’ve been good PlayStation emulators in Linux since long before 2019.

cloudy1999,

Very true, but the graphics and performance aren’t nearly as good as the PC version.

rr7, to reddit in It is happening! r/place goes out with a bang
Luci,

Lol

I was against giving them the engagement but this is goooood

galloog1,

The engagement is fleeting but the spoiling of the narrative is forever.

genoxidedev1,
@genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

FUCK SPEZ

Enasni,
@Enasni@lemmy.world avatar

Never forget he accused the Apollo dev of blackmail and doubled-down on the claim even after evidence disproved it.

Pretty sure that’s a crime in most places.

average650,
@average650@lemmy.world avatar

I don’t think it’s a crime, but it probably is a tort.

PeterPoopshit,

Crimes only count if poor people do them

lennybird,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

They screwed over so many people. Losing the ability to search your own comment history with Camas / Push Shift screwed me out of archiving some of my older write-ups and valuable conversations.

Admins really took a nose-dive in the last year especially. They royally screwed my account over, blatantly wrongly banning my main account then using that false-ban as justification to permanently-ban me months later.

All the while they uphold objectively-racist comments despite several reports. Fucking weird.

Enasni,
@Enasni@lemmy.world avatar

I got temp banned for “report abuse” when I’ve only ever reported anything that clearly broke the sitewide rules. Just assumed it was some kinda mistake. When it happened a 2nd time I decided not to bother anymore. Now I consider my account read-only and if I want to post content I use Lemmy.

KevonLooney,

Same thing happened to me. Admins must have gotten a message to do that or something. First time ever was during the protests.

🙄🙄🙄

Enasni,
@Enasni@lemmy.world avatar

Might be worth noting my temp bans were recent too. Also, both times the comments I reported were removed lol. Task failed successfully.

Whirlybird,

After giving the admins (and a bunch of mods) in the ModCoord sub a piece of my mind about the site and what it has turned into, I deleted my ~13 year old account. Nothing against the rules so definitely didn’t justify a ban.

Logged in to my NSFW account a few days later to find that account, which I had literally never posted a single comment or post on, was permanently suspended from Reddit as a whole citing “Your accounts are now permanently suspended due to multiple, repeated violations of Reddit’s content policy.”. Had a look at my deleted account and it has been permanently suspended too, despite no longer existing lol. If I go to the user page of my deleted account it shows the “user is suspended” page, but searching for my username gives no results and if I go to a sub where I know I made a post, the post is there with [deleted] for the username.

So good that not only did they ban my lurking account after I deleted my main, but they also banned my deleted account somehow lol. Definitely didn’t rustle an admins jimmies, did I? haha

Socsa,

Yup, I’ve had this one as well. I probably have a 90% hit rate reporting calls for violence, yet apparently that’s not precise enough for galaxy brain reddit admins.

macrocephalic,

You can request your entire data footprint and they have to comply. I got mine a few weeks ago just to inconvenience them.

lennybird,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

Even when permanently-suspended, I wonder?

macrocephalic,

Yes. They have to comply with the EU regulations.

lennybird,
@lennybird@lemmy.world avatar

Well I just submitted my request. I appreciate the info, thanks.

CitizenKong,

The worst thing IMO was making it impossible for blind people to moderate subreddits (like r/blind) and completely ignoring their pleas to make it possible without third-party apps.

Socsa,

I have experienced the exact same thing on several old accounts. One was just completely ghost banned out of the blue. No warning, no temp ban, no suspension notice. The account just ceased to exist one day. It was also my least anonymous work account so I was definitely well behaved on it. I legitimately have no fucking clue what happened.

My oldest account (14 years now) has gotten two temp suspensions completely idiotic reasons, both of which were overturned on appeal, but I assume that still counts as two strikes.

Socsa,

Never forget that Steve Huffman defends and protects Nazis and child abusers. Right wing terrorists radicalized entirely or partially on Reddit have killed dozens of people.

penguin,

Yeah, now reddit can’t really promote the final version of this one

dan,

That’s incredibly awesome. What a fantastic way to end it!

hanni,

Honestly i’m sure this is the best thing that could happen for the reddit execs in terms of user engagement. Writing “fuck spez” on reddit is like shouting “save the planet” from a cruise ship.

dan,

I wrote about this elsewhere. Every post about Reddit or place has tons of comments like yours insisting that any engagement is good for Reddit. I disagree.

Reddit want dissenting users to leave! They have no interest in retaining it’s traditional userbase of cynical, lefty, tech-savvy users. They’re incredibly intolerant of advertising and difficult to monetise, and much of the reason why Reddit hasn’t made as much money as some of its competition.

They’d rather we all went elsewhere and left them with doomscrollng cryptobro memelords that don’t care if a post is a corporate shill or not, as long as it’s entertaining.

Sure, not engaging with their site reduced their numbers and thus value. But the number of users on Lemmy is a tiny fraction that I guarantee they’d be happy to lose if it made their userbase more tolerant of corporate bullshittery.

My goal isn’t to knock a fraction off their IPO valuation, it’s to bring other users and communities over to better platforms like this one. Or, perhaps, for Reddit to realise they done fucked up and roll back some of those user-hostile changes. That takes advocacy and reminding people of the failings of the platform’s admins.

This form of protest is valid and I support it.

genoxidedev1,
@genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

Yep, whenever I see those type of comments I always think to myself that they're secretly pro-reddit and want to deter us from advertising Lemmy and other alternatives on Reddits BIGGEST attraction and putting the FUCK SPEZ where people WILL see it.

I don't think a foil hat is necessary

kava,

They just want people off of reddit. You don’t agree with the site, so you stop using it. If enough people do that, they lose money. Sure, there’s the argument you are advertising Lemmy to more users but anybody who has been paying attention for the last couple months already knows what Lemmy is.

Either they give a shit and have already switched over or they don’t give and won’t.

These posts pushing Lemmy are starting to remind me of shitcoin pump and dumps. My opinion is just disconnect from reddit and let Lemmy/kbin grow naturally. As long as it maintains consistent positive growth, it will be a beautiful thing in some years. There’s no need to spam reddit.

CheshireSnake,
@CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

You don’t agree with the site, so you stop using it. If enough people do that, they lose money.

Maybe someone should tell them that’s never gonna happen, then? Because a lot of them seem to think the amount of protestors are more than enough to influence reddit traffic. I’m all for boycotting reddit (i was probably here earlier than most rexxitors - this is my 4th account due to looking for a good home instance), but stopping people from protesting is just wrong. Protesting doesn’t mean just boycotting.

let Lemmy/kbin grow naturally. As long as it maintains consistent positive growth, it will be a beautiful thing in some years.

As far as the Fediverse is concerned, I agree completely.

There’s no need to spam reddit.

There may be no need, but there certainly is a reason in some people’s minds.

kava,

I mean people can do whatever they want, I don’t care. Me personally I had a 14 year old reddit account that I scrubbed clean by editing over the thousands of comments with a script right before the API change date.

And I haven’t been back since. I don’t agree with reddit, so I’m not going to use reddit.

If people want to go on reddit and protest, go for it why not. I just think it’s a meaningless activity. It’s owned by a company that couldn’t care less about people protesting. The average redditor is also apathetic towards the cause. Reddit is not what it was 10 years ago.

CheshireSnake,
@CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyi avatar

Permission to use this in the future for similar comments. With credit, of course. You explained it better than i ever could.

dan,

Sure!

FourPacketsOfPeanuts,

Quite a lot of people just like scrolling through nonsensical shorts and staged garbage squeezed between sponsored posts and fake game ads. I don’t understand it but it’s what most people like to do. Look at Facebook, it’s still making money. Reddit’s doing the same formula. Killing third party apps was just part of penning people in.

WarmSoda,

How much coordination did this take? You’re only able to do a certain about of pixels right? Or did it freefall at the last minute?

Teppic,
@Teppic@kbin.social avatar

There was clearly a large bot net which started stencilling the outlines of the letters, but then it was magic, everybody understood the assignment. The letters filled out in a handful of minutes. Then, then the whiteout slowed - the apes (mostly) agreed the job was done. It took another half an hour or so for the white fog to finally take hold.

ziez,
@ziez@lemmy.world avatar

Shure some bots might be involved, but there was a tampermonkey overlay which showed where to put the right pixel. Many with this overlay worked ahead and the rest followed. Also some streamers coordinated hundreds of thousands of users.

oce,
@oce@jlai.lu avatar

The gorgeous magic of the internets.

freundTech,

There was no bot net doing the outlines. The r/placeDE Discord prepared an overlay and distributed it to many other large communities and twitch streamers.

At the time or the whiteout the r/placeDE had 6500 active users in the voice chat coordinating to draw the outlines. A German streamer sent his 100k+ viewers to draw the letters. Other big communities also contributed.

angrylittlekitty,

i had this question a couple of days ago and today fell totally down the fuck spez rabbithole.

found myself on the main discord where the coordinators were talking to uruguay about doing the “u” after columbia (?) declined. guess hearing that, both uruguay and equador wanted in.

there was discussion of not stepping over the swiss flag in one of the letter because they were part of the coalition.

these folks are dedicated - many commented they hadn’t really slept since it went live. kudos to all of them for the passion they showed today.

tbh it was impressive and one of the best executed operations i’ve seen in a long time. very fun to see up close.

working for a global multinational company i only wish we were this efficient internally ❤️

WarmSoda,

That’s really interesting and very cool. Thanks for the insight

Lummy,

I love this, lol

favrion,
@favrion@lemmy.world avatar

What’s the difference?

randomaccount43543, to news in First room temperature and pressure superconductor discovered

Just a word of caution: Non-peer reviewed, non-replicated, rushed-looking preprint, on a topic with a long history of controversy and retractions. So don’t get too excited yet.

ViridianNott,

Okay so I agree that it needs to be peer reviewed and independently verified before we can trust it. But how exactly does the preprint look rushed?

Chrobin,

It’s visibly made in word. That’s enough to be rushed.

febra,

Exactly. Most papers I’ve seen out there use LaTeX. This is clearly Microsoft Word.

Chrobin,

And it definitely looks it. That is, shitty.

SamC,

Depends on the discipline, but yeah, engineering would usually be LaTeX

soEZ,

Most engenee fields use word…many don’t even accept latex…judging quality of work bases on how a paper looks is shallow and irresponsible.

4ce,

In physics, however, using Latex is absolutely the norm, and on the arxiv it’s also absolutely the norm. That they aren’t using it shows at the very least that they’re out of touch with academic practice. I mean, if their extraordinary claim is true it would be one of the most significant discoveries of the century and pretty much a guaranteed Nobel prize. Therefore you might think they would put at least some amount of effort into presenting their results, such as producing nice looking plots, and, well, using Latex like a normal working physicist. The fact that they don’t doesn’t mean that they’re wrong, but it doesn’t exactly increase their credibility either.

PS: I also just noticed that one of their equations (p. 9 in 2307.12008) literally contains the expression “F(00l)”. Again, maybe they’re just oblivious and didn’t realize that could look like they’re calling us fools, but the extraordinary claims together with the rather unorthodox and low-effort presentation make me very skeptical.

soEZ,

This is fair enough…but still seems odd to judge paper solely based on text editor choice…judging paper based on clear errors in presented information is fair game.

Sheltac,

Hi. I hold 3 degrees in engineering. 100% of what you said is wrong.

Latex is the norm in any engineering publication I’ve ever been involved with, be it as author, reviewer, or editor. The ones that do take word do so reluctantly and only in a way they can readily convert to latex later.

Judging a quality of a word based on how a paper looks is perfectly valid. I’m disinclined to trust research by people not willing to put in the minuscule effort of typesetting a paper. What else did they cut corners on?

rishabh, (edited )

Have you… seen the… figures?!! Also, the Arxiv listing had a spelling mistake. “First” was spelled as “firs”.

cryball,

I would also like to know. Apparently there were some proofreading errors etc. Someone in reddit explained that rushing the publish might be explained by wanting to stake the claim and get the ball rolling on reproducing the results as fast as possible.

ViridianNott,

Honestly as someone who is also in research, that is pretty understandable. Preprint papers are all subject to peer review and editing after the fact, but are a good opportunity to stake your claim on a big discovery before someone else can. Preprints are inherently not final versions and I guarantee that the mistakes will be caught before publication.

cryball,

As someone that no longer has access to university library’s journal subscriptions, I very much support publishing these in a openly accessible manner.

narc0tic_bird, to technology in Any idea what Google are doing? Is this because I dont use Chrome (use Firefox)? I've no adblockers.

Their detection script is probably trying so hard that it hits false positives.

Ironically, with an up-to-date uBlock Origin, you wouldn’t see this popup.

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

Sooo…, you’ll literally need to use adblocker to use YouTube. Interesting.

killeronthecorner,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

It really is given that they’ve willingly entered a game of cat and mouse and chosen to assume the role of a blind, limbless mouse.

As others have said before me, I feel for the poor engineers who have to implement this stuff as any technical solution short of DRM is provably impractical and unworkable.

Platform27,

any technical solution short of DRM is provably impractical and unworkable.

Don’t give them ideas.

nottheengineer,

They already have plans to DRM the entire fucking web. That’s why I am currently cutting google out of my life step by step.

Platform27,

Yeah, YT is the last holdout for me. It’s literally the only Google service I willingly sign up for. I’ve tried Piped/Invidious, but they don’t match YTs quality.

django,

No problem, quality will continue to degrade, until you will be happy to switch.

HawlSera,

Yeah the lack of playlists is an issue

feinstruktur,
@feinstruktur@lemmy.ml avatar

So, give me a heads up if you find a reliably working alternative for their FCM that enables common apps to … work, e.g. mobile payment (not crypto), alarm messaging for emergency forces, e.g. firefighters. I’d say one can easily step back from google if you rely on independent apps and services (done that for a couple of years). But without FCM some shit simply doesn’t work.

sanpo,

They’re way ahead of you, they already started implementing it in Chrome.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_Environment_Integrity

ericisshort,

It’s bullshit like this that made me give up all Chromium browsers earlier this year. I used to be a complete Google simp, but those days are well behind me. They’re motto these days might as well be “Do evil.”

Rai,

I went from loving Google (had the HYC Dream, the first Android phone!)

Many years ago I cut em out. Now I have no google products and do not use their services.

ericisshort,

I also had the HTC Dream (called the TMobile G1 in the US). Only google product I haven’t been able to ditch is gmail.

Zagorath,
@Zagorath@aussie.zone avatar

I’m not sure what you mean by “short of DRM”, because YouTube already does what it can to prevent unauthorised clients accessing it. (Have you seen how unreliable “YouTube downloaders” can be, especially for very long videos or in resolutions above HD?) But ultimately the flaw in any DRM-style solution is that the end result still needs to be able to be played back on client-controlled systems, and that is always going to provide an avenue for exploitation. It can’t be avoided.

killeronthecorner,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

I use an automated YouTube downloader as part of my media lab and have had a 100% success rate for downloads over several years, so, sincerely, I don’t know what you mean.

And yes, my argument wasn’t that DRM is flawless, just that it’s a feasible next step in Google trying to achieve their purpose.

psud,

DRM isn’t effective on its own, it needs law with severe punishment to survive

grue, (edited )

I feel for the poor engineers who have to implement this stuff

I don’t. They had every opportunity to do the ethical thing and refuse to implement it, but didn’t.

On a related note, the industry norms need to be changed such that software engineers should be licensed Professional Engineers, should be unionized, or both.

(I say this as a software engineer myself, by the way.)

killeronthecorner, (edited )
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

I also work in industry as a software engineer, tech lead, and occasional eng manager and haven’t seen anyone do this over several decades.

I don’t think many people, software engineers included, are troubled by YouTube wanting to monetize their platform or defending their right to do so. It’s opting for such an easily bypassed method that makes this such a chore for the implementor.

It’s also bold to assume they might not have suggested, prototyped or specced other solutions to this problem but were still tasked with this one for whatever reason. Either way, I’d rather assume good intent and high locus than assume they are “trapped” in to implementing software that defies their own moral beliefs.

MonkderZweite,

as any technical solution short of DRM is provably impractical and unworkable.

Oh, that’s why WebDRM.

AnAngryAlpaca,

Sooo…, you’ll literally need to use adblocker to use YouTube the internet. Interesting.

Goodie,

Are you sure? Or is it because you’re not in the test group?

I’m on nightly/up to date ublock and i see it.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I’ve been wondering if it’s uBlock Origin or me not being part of the test yet. Sounds like the latter. Shit.

TheFriendlyDickhead,

I got the pop-up too, but I can just kick the X and continue watching without adds. Got unlock origin.

TheFriendlyDickhead, (edited )

I got the pop-up too, but I can just kick the X and continue watching without adds. Got uBlock origin.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

Good to know! Thanks!

kobra,

Yeah I’ve had it sporadically happen to me but last night was the most effective. Fully updated Firefox and ublock on windows and I could only watch 3 videos before getting locked out.

Previous to last night, I hadn’t seen the pop up for at least a week.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I actually had it about 20 minutes ago. Forgot to post here. But when I Xed out of it, it played normally.

Silejonu,
@Silejonu@kbin.social avatar

Did you update your filters?

I had the pop-up today, updated my filters then reloaded the page, and the warning was gone.

killeronthecorner,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

There’s no test group, it’s available now. Instructions here

reddit.com/…/youtube_antiadblock_and_ads_october_…

Skyhighatrist,

There’s no test group

They are almost certainly talking about a test group on YouTube, not uBlock Origin. Sites do that sometimes, it’s called A/B Testing. Where different users will get different versions of the site to test something or other before changes are rolled out for all users.

killeronthecorner,
@killeronthecorner@lemmy.world avatar

Ah, the second sentence made it sound like they were questioning the uBlock implementation, not YouTube’s.

And not just sites, but all forms of software can implement A/B and multivariate tests, including software like uBlock Origin. I’ve implemented A/B and multivariate tests before, and have even co-designed and developed an experimentation platform, so it’s a subject close to my heart!

narc0tic_bird,

Pretty sure, as I saw the popup multiple times, updated uBlock filters and didn’t see them again since.

DuncanIdaho,

LOL thats nuts!

Ensign_Crab,

Their detection script is probably trying so hard that it hits false positives.

Nostalgic.

JazzAlien,

I got this popup today on Firefox with ublock origin.

cybersandwich,

I actually installed ublockorigin after hitting these types of messages on a few sites. I think howtogeek does the same thing.

Gonzako,

The cobra effect

GentlemanLoser,

According to OP it turned out to be an extension causing the problem

rwhitisissle,

As someone with an up to date ublock origin on Firefox, I literally just got one.

Enkrod,

If you have YouTube Enhancer disable its adblocking.

rwhitisissle,

That was probably it. Thanks!

RojoSanIchiban,

I started getting this last night even with UO before I realized FF was waiting for me to restart for an update.

Oops.

cephus, to linuxmemes in Updates

Would be funny if it was true…but you never pay for OS updates on Mac.

smolyeet,

lol i was about to say. Updates have been free since what , Lion? Lemmy is just hurr durr non Linux operating systems bad 🙄

Satelllliiiiiiiteeee,
@Satelllliiiiiiiteeee@kbin.social avatar

Yeah, it was Lion and even before then it was something like $35 to upgrade which was less than the cost to upgrade Windows at the time.

Ziglin,

Why pay Microsoft though?

refurbishedrefurbisher,

This meme is older than Lion

Baku,

So old it’s yellowed

Jessica,

I’m pretty sure snow leopard was the last version you could buy physical media for at the very least because that’s the last version I have physical media for lol

AtariDump,

Same

Lucidlethargy,

Are you kidding? Lemmy is overwhelmingly in favor of Linux. Like, holy persecution complex, Batman…

folkrav,

You may need to re-read the comment you answered carefully.

Ziglin,

In my experience they are (comparatively) I absolutely hate using ipados and they messed up airdrop (because why support Bluetooth fileshare when you can have a proprietary protocol) between different versions of ipados with the latest update and now it doesn’t work half the time…

urhovaldeko,

There was a time when you had to pay for the next major version. I think it went free around mountain lion or so?

joyjoy, (edited )

After 4 years, you have to pay $1999 to get a new iMac. (all numbers were made up)

Established_Trial,

My 2010 MacBook Pro disagrees

joyjoy,

You’re saying your 13 year old macbook is still getting updates? I know the Pro models usually have extended support, but 13 years sounds a bit extreme. The latest version of OS X that supports the 2010 Macbook Pro is High Sierra from 2017.

Established_Trial,

Updates? No, but still runs like a champ. Even so, an OS from 7 years after its manufacture date is pretty good. My main point was against your “after 4 years” you need to buy a new Mac.

aniki,

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  • dojan,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    Do they still do security updates for old versions of MacOS? It’s something they’re really good at when it comes to iOS after all.

    Satelllliiiiiiiteeee,
    @Satelllliiiiiiiteeee@kbin.social avatar

    I've got MacOS 13 running on a 2010 MacBook Pro with OpenCore Legacy Patcher. It's not the fastest laptop but it runs way better than you'd expect a first gen mobile i7 to handle a modern OS

    fartsparkles,

    2012 MBP still going strong as a daily driver.

    urhovaldeko,

    Heah, my 2013 MBP died this year (at least the wifi module did), so I replaced it. 9 years is good in my book

    JoShmoe,

    Are you telling me I can get a cougar for free?

    Norgur,

    Animal protective services entered the chat

    shinratdr,
    @shinratdr@lemmy.ca avatar

    And even then it was only $20. The last time it was over $99 was 16 years ago.

    urhovaldeko,

    Indeed. Last two were twenty.

    threegnomes,

    You pay for them when they slow down your hardware

    Satelllliiiiiiiteeee,
    @Satelllliiiiiiiteeee@kbin.social avatar

    Hey, they could have taken the Google option and let the phones die at 20% charge because there was too much voltage draw for the aging battery to handle

    Earthwormjim91,

    This.

    The only negative thing about the whole situation was that Apple didn’t publicize it, not that they throttled the devices.

    Get a new battery for it and the thing works just fine.

    dalekcaan,

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  • Earthwormjim91,

    Good luck with what? Replacing a battery at home is not that difficult on an iPhone, and it’s fairly cheap without AppleCare if you just go to an Apple Store. Covered if you have it.

    dojan,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    Here in Sweden you can just go to partners too. Replacing the battery on my XS cost $50 or so.

    I recall new batteries for my old 3330 going for like $25 back in the day so I don’t get the big honestly.

    gkd,
    @gkd@lemmy.ml avatar

    Yea, and if we are talking about MacBooks it’s ridiculously easy to do. Not sure what the whole “can’t replace the battery” thing is about.

    dojan,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    You can disable the throttling.

    anonono,

    You pay it by buying new hardware.

    My 2013 macbook pro with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSD has been deprecated by apple so the latest OS it gets is Big Sur, it has now been barred from signing updates (since they require the latest XCode which I cannot get with Big Sur) so its only viable life is via Linux from now on.

    I have had to buy a Mac Mini with 8 GB of RAM and a 250 GB SSD to be able to upload updates for my iOS apps.

    I mean I can afford it, but yeah, we are paying for OS updates dude.

    That’s the reason they also updated their EULAs to set a minimum renting period of 24hs for providers like Amazon and MacStadium. They want you buying hardware, they don’t want to leave any easy way out.

    M137,

    It’s the same with windows though, I can’t get Windows 11 on my laptop.

    Same with many things, it’s just not feasible to support decade old hardware with new updates.

    tubaruco,

    hav ye herd a linux?

    fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

    You pay for linux with your time and sanity.

    A7thStone,

    You’re either memeing, and you use Arch btw, or you are a decade behind. Most PC users surf the web, print a PDF, and possibly look at pictures from their phone on a larger screen. All of those can be done from a vanilla install of most Linux distros. Before you say “yeah, but windows comes pre-installed on my pc” congratulations you’ve discovered why monopolies are bad, but also I can install Linux on my hardware before you’re done watching the “please wait while we are setting up your computer” and “just a few more moments” screens that give you absolutely no information about what is actually happening.

    FlyingPiisami,

    If you want to do anything beyond using linux as a web browser, then nothing is simple. Windows and mac also have web browsers, but in addition to that they can also do a lot of other things easily.

    folkrav,

    You don’t have to open a single terminal window if you don’t want to, nowadays. Hardware compatibility is mostly excellent, outside some specific vendors that keep giving trouble (fucking Nvidia, go fuck yourself). I’m not sure what’s inherently complicated about the modern Linux experience otherwise, outside having to figure out what’s a distribution. Most have app stores with bunch of stuff available OOTB, excellent software, etc.

    Now, I’d have agreed with you 10 years ago. Just installing Ubuntu on a laptop meant dealing with shit power savings and non functional sleep unless you were ready to tweak obscure config files and install stuff manually. Wifi support was a nightmare.

    Unless you’re speaking about software availability, which is not something you can really blame the OS for. Unless vendors make their software available natively, of course trying to mess with compatibility layers like Wine will always be complicated. I still can’t fully get rid of Windows because of media creation software mostly - music/audio DAWs are slowly coming over to Linux, but most commercial plugins obviously aren’t following. The rest is pretty smooth sailing though. I haven’t had a single fluke with my PopOS partition in years, while I’ve already had to repair my Windows partition twice in the same period - once for a borked update, and the second it just broke itself after a power outage.

    A7thStone,

    If you’re definition of simple is just clicking things until you get the response you want then you might be correct.

    cm0002,

    “please wait while we are setting up your computer” and “just a few more moments” screens that give you absolutely no information about what is actually happening.

    Fun fact, Windows actually does have a verbose mode for these screens. It’s completely convoluted to get it to do it though, but you can lmfao 😂

    Cupcake1972,

    Wait, how? (out of curiosity)

    cm0002,

    It’s been awhile, but the gist of it as after the boot disk installation you have to stop it from rebooting and go back into the boot disk, open a command prompt, open the boot disk’s regedit, connect it to the registry hive installed on the drive and set some flags there and reboot

    If you like pain, there’s a YT video of a madlad installing windows completely manually

    NBJack,

    “I just heart my Ubuntu, and my computer friend was right: this was easy to install!.. wait a sec. What do you mean it’s only got 3 months of support left?!? You told me to get the latest version!”

    tubaruco,

    except the time is spent learning something instead of waiting for the pc to update(or you can, of course, use one of the many common distros that require no time to understand, eg. linux mint, fedora, tuxedoOS etc)

    wizzor,

    It used to be the case yea, but my experience last 5 years or so has been that especially for old hardware everything works out of the box.

    Might be extremely hardware or distro dependent though.

    AtariDump,

    You can, but not officially.

    accideath,

    There are still workarounds for getting new macOS on older not supported hardware (aka the OpenCore Legacy Patcher) which works very well, even with really old macs. But yes, of course, there are no official updates.

    That’s not an Apple problem per se though, that’s an industry problem. Windows 11 isn’t officially supported on Devices older than 2018 and unofficially not older than like 2015-ish, if you want full functionality and a non-hacky install (because of TPM 2.0). Also, most Android phones have a notoriously short period getting updates (although that is getting better with some manufacturers promising and delivering way more than before).

    helenslunch,

    Windows 11 isn’t officially supported on Devices older than 2018 and unofficially not older than like 2015-ish

    Having old computers not compatible with the latest OS is not a problem, just keep running Windows 10. Having an OS that no longer gets security updates is a huge problem.

    Fortunately Apple goes out of their way to ensure their hardware doesn’t survive that long anymore.

    accideath,

    Windows 10 is also nearing end of life. In two years it’s over

    c0mbatbag3l,
    @c0mbatbag3l@lemmy.world avatar

    No, but you’ll have to buy another 3000 dollar laptop that’s only worth maybe 1200 bucks because they arbitrarily decide that their hardware can’t support a new OS and lock you out of upgrading it.

    We have them where I work and it’s the biggest time sink for our service desk to deal with, replacing with Windows 10 machines absolutely saved us from having to deal with constant “network issues” and Adobe projects that can’t be accessed on a workstation not running Monterrey or whatever version the person who last edited it was on, etc.

    Fuck Mac, they’re fine for personal use (if you like wasting money) but are absolutely dogshit for a commercial environment where work actually has to get done.

    TrickDacy,

    I don’t like apple but none of what you wrote has been reflected in my last 20 years of Mac experience. There is no “arbitrary” lack of support for older machines and in my experience machines usually get updates for several years.

    LillyPip, (edited )

    Uh, what? Have you owned a Mac in the last 30 years?

    That’s not how it works. I’ve had two macs in the last 20 years, and more than a dozen Windows machines. I had to reformat the Windows PCs every year or so for various reasons until they became obsolete after like 5 years, but my macs have worked for 10 years each with no issues, and always upgraded to the latest OS easily and always for free. Both my macs lasted 10+ years of heavy use (my current one is 5+ years and still young).

    Every time a Windows update came out it was an ordeal and I dreaded it; with each update I’d start looking at the cost of replacing the whole machine in case it bricks and it’s just not worth fixing things. Mac updates are barely a blip in my workflow.

    Adobe projects that can’t be accessed on a workstation not running Monterrey or whatever

    This makes zero sense. The Adobe suite runs much better on OSX than Windows by orders of magnitude, even on outdated and non-updated OS. There’s a reason most designers and professional VXers have always preferred Mac. (eta: also, rereading, this makes even less sense because Adobe projects don’t care about your OS when opening; just the version of Adobe itself. You can easily open projects made on a whole different OS: Windows/OSX, any recentish version with no problem. Even files made in CS6/OSX can be opened in the latest cloud app on Windows easily. You’re either mistaken here or being deliberately dishonest for some reason.)

    I’ve been in IT/software development and VX design for a few decades and I’m really wondering how this is an ordeal for you. It makes no sense to me. My 3000 dollar laptop has outlasted 5 1000 dollar windows machines. You get what you pay for.

    e: some words were cut

    Also, in my few decades in the industry, the sales and marketing staff always ran Windows, but the design staff usually worked on Mac. That speaks for itself.

    franklin,
    @franklin@lemmy.world avatar

    I know we all get off on a little Apple hate from time to time, why do so many of these things feel they need to make shit up? There’s so much real shit they do that you could just make fun of

    Chobbes,

    I think this comic might have been from the era when you did have to pay for new versions of OS X… they stopped doing that around Lion I think in 2011 or so.

    And009,

    They used to sell it? Criminals!

    Jakeroxs,

    The first few iOS updates they tried to charge for as well

    I remember because it was laughably easy to just go grab the package file online and “flash” it manually.

    And009,

    Always better to sail the high seas

    thorbot,

    Because Apple bad obviously, get on the bandwagon

    Lucidlethargy,

    Macs only get support for three years now. So you’re paying between $1,000 and $53,799 for a computer every three years instead of just updating the operating system in the same period of time.

    So yeah, your right… This is inaccurate. It’s not $99 any longer, it’s starting at $1,000 every major update. If you’re outside those three years, too bad. No updates for you, and in a year or less many of your favorite programs will get updates you can no longer ever use again.

    eoddc5,
    @eoddc5@lemmy.world avatar

    Apple machines are supported for like 7-8 years from launch

    macOS is only maintained for 3 years (3 generations).

    macOS 14 Sonoma just came out, so support for macOS 11 big sur just ended

    I think that the oldest system that is still officially supported is the Mac Pro from 2013. So 10 years of support. Likely will not be officially supported next year.

    Get your facts straight. Linux fan boyism is lazy and not supported in 2023

    scrubbles, to memes in I like a good UX
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    This one dude has made this app for years and constantly updates it, fixes things, is responsive, and makes a great app. He’s now been more loyal to his users longer than Reddit has, and I personally have used his app daily for 13 years.

    Yeah, I’ll happily pay for it.

    FOSS is great but it doesn’t pay the rent people, this guy is doing this mostly as his main gig. This isn’t some huge corpo, it’s one guy who makes his living building the app he loves. I’m sure he’d love to make it FOSS if he didn’t have to pay bills on anything.

    kamenoko,

    Upvoted via Sync lol. FOSS is great, FOSS is irreplaceable, but for independent programmers FOSS doesn’t pay the rent.

    sabreW4K3,
    @sabreW4K3@lemmy.tf avatar

    FOSS can pay the rent. But the users that will complain about £20 for a lifetime of ad removal, definitely aren’t going to be the ones that help him should the bank come calling about late mortgage payments.

    scrubbles, (edited )
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    This is the same crap I left /r/Linux for way back in the day, so so so many people who are all “Linux is the best way and you’re stupid for even considering windows or mac” but unable to see realities. Yes, of course I love linux and FOSS, I use it as my primary driver, but we live in a society where free work doesn’t pay for housing.

    You’re exactly right, most of the “FOSS Open Source supreme” people will look at an app that was lovingly crafted for months, call it garbage, and then demand they make it free. I just can’t even with them.

    Meanwhile I’d love to see the stats on how many hours a week they put into FOSS apps on their own, and if they’ve given up their jobs to code for FOSS apps for the good of the community.

    I’m a developer. I code mostly proprietary stuff for my company. I’d gladly go code for FOSS projects, but so far my bank is just completely unwilling to cancel my mortgage payments, and my electricity, water, sewer, internet, they all want to be paid too, so unfortunately I’m stuck doing this.

    Andrew15_5,

    “Free and Open Source Software Open Source supreme”?

    tpyo,

    Maybe it was a tongue-in-cheek recursive acronym

    Gork,

    It’s either a pizza or a Taco Bell menu item

    Melkor,

    I think the issue a lot of folks have is people like yourself always connecting it back to profit/salary. A large portion of us are interested in Linux/technology/foss for personal reasons and this corporate stuff not only reeks but makes enough noise to drown out better long term solutions. Yes I do it professionally too and yes I fight the good fight but we do what we need to do, this dude does not need to do this. UX really just isn’t important when we’re talking about expanding human capabilities, or I should say UX is important but pretty things aren’t. My opinion anyway but I was raised to care about this stuff by one of those wizard beards so to see your attitude is prevalent just sucks, no disrespect and nothing personal.

    scrubbles,
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    That’s fine as your opinion, but it’s not a popular one. Many people tried lemmy and left almost immediately because they want a better UI. We come from the old usenet boards so we know what UI was like back then, but now people expect a great UI/UX to use a service. So yes, I understand the principals, but we shouldn’t demonize people who pay money for a better experience, and if you’re a developer I’m sure you know that a good UX costs some money, but a great UX costs a lot of money.

    NikkiNikkiNikki,
    @NikkiNikkiNikki@kbin.social avatar

    There's also a lot of younger techies on the board cause if you even got remotely deep enough you'd have to learn how to use those user board websites to solve your extremely specific problems.

    unscholarly_source,

    I’m all for FOSS (currently working at a company that contributes heavily to FOSS) and am a huge supporter/contributor of FOSS, but the level of entitlement and superiority complex that I’ve seen from many in the FOSS community (including yours) is highly unappealing, and at times frankly revolting. That’s what truly reeks and stains FOSS.

    Zetaphor,

    There’s an expression I think about a lot, “You can’t think when you’re hungry”

    Unfortunately principles and ideals are calorie-free

    unscholarly_source,

    Took me a minute to process, but that is a powerful one. I’m going to borrow that. Thanks for sharing lol

    Melkor,

    Entitlement? They’ve taken everything from us, not just software either, have some empathy. All proprietary solutions will die, we have a right to build for the future and we have a right to educate about it.

    unscholarly_source,

    I have no qualms about building for the future and educating. I fully support that. What I don’t support is the brigading and the lambasting of users who choose to purchase closed or proprietary products. That is their right as much as it is yours to advocate for FOSS.

    If “taking everything from us” is the issue, there are appropriate channels and mechanisms to defend against that. If you don’t want your FOSS software to be used in a priority setting, apply the correct licensing models and pursue legal paths. GPL-licensed FOSS is generally and effectively avoided by for-profit organizations. If you purposefully choose MPL or Apache for your license models, that’s really your responsibility for legally protecting your FOSS IP. Apply the right licensing model, it is literally a single button to change it if your source is on GitHub.

    KuroJ,

    Seriously, I honestly feel like this is a bad look for Lemmy right now. Like who cares how people enjoy Lemmy? Also, why do people care so much about how others spend their money?

    Some of these people don’t even realize they are using a closed source app (connect) and have no problem with it, but when price is introduced all of a sudden people are up in arms.

    Don’t like the price? Continue to use Sync(with ads) or use the other plethora of FOSS alternatives.

    mikeboltonshair,
    @mikeboltonshair@lemmy.world avatar

    These are the people that read Marx and then have a whole new world view, but they forget to take reality into account

    Zeeroover,
    @Zeeroover@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    Lemmy doesn’t have ads. If you have to pay to remove them don’t you think something is wrong with that? Why not pay for the community and useful features instead?

    agressivelyPassive,

    The ads finance the app, I think that’s perfectly fine (in principle).

    I asked the dev a few weeks ago, this app is literally his livelihood. And he has a pretty good track record of delivering good software. Why not support him?

    Zeeroover,
    @Zeeroover@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    If you think more ads is the solution that’s good for you. Ads are society’s cancer, so I have little choice other than to block it. (Paying to get rid of ads perpetuates the idea that ads are profitable. That’s up to you.)

    scrubbles,
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    So the three options for him to keep developing that we know of are 1) Ads 2) Pay for a license or 3) Fundraising. He offers 1 and 2, and 3 is well known to not work, seriously nobody donates. Check out npm fund and how so little people used it that they just removed it.

    If your only argument is “I deserve things that took a lot of time and effort for free” then you aren’t getting much sympathy from me.

    trafficnab,

    If your only argument is “I deserve things that took a lot of time and effort for free” then you aren’t getting much sympathy from me.

    Well, the user is posting from the piracy instance

    scrubbles,
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    ha

    db2,

    Check out npm fund

    Instructions unclear, I ran the command and now I have a shitcoin called Bitcoin Cash.

    unscholarly_source,

    Off topic, but I just have to ask… is your name a reference to the IBM database technology? Lol

    db2,

    Could be.

    scrubbles,
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    So for one he’s adding an option to fund your instance as well, but also just because it’s an app doesn’t mean that it also doesn’t require money.

    Your argument doesn’t come off as “so both should be free” but to me more like “oh yeah I’m surprised Lemmy doesn’t have an ad option”

    Zeeroover,
    @Zeeroover@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

    I’ve been on open source since the early 90s. I know damn well how people make money off of it and who makes money off of it.

    I support none of it if it starts including tracking and ads. It goes against the whole mindset. Google fanboys love it though.

    Zalack,
    @Zalack@startrek.website avatar

    That’s why there is an option to disable ads… Everyone wins unless they think this person’s work should be distributed for free.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    Then pay to remove the ads. Someone has to pay at some point and it’s either you or the guy already spending his time to make the app.

    jimbo,

    How do you think OSS has been funded since the early 90s?

    eco,

    Where did you read that he was adding something to fund instances?

    unscholarly_source,

    Nope, because I don’t have an issue with paying for something that I like and enjoy. Don’t like to pay? Nobody is forcing you to. Stop lambasting others for their choice.

    Zetaphor,

    You’re not paying to remove ads from Lemmy. You can continue using Lemmy ad-free on mobile via the mobile site or any of the other PWA’s or native apps. What you’re paying to remove ads from is Sync. The developer has decided that they need to be compensated to sustain the amount of effort developing and maintaining the app requires. If you don’t want to pay that price with cash or your eyeballs then don’t use it.

    Nobody is forcing you to use Sync, nobody is forcing you to see ads. The beauty of a platform like Lemmy is you have the choice to use whatever client you want. That doesn’t mean you’re entitled to any of them.

    JDubbleu,

    The price is a bit steep for me personally, but I agree. I’m currently on Connect but the call from Sync is strong.

    ViktorShahter,

    You can make it FOSS and still have some sort of subscription for syncing between devices for example. Tasks.org did it like that.

    Not to mention that you can run something on donations like lichess or F-Droid and have some extra money.

    scrubbles,
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    NPM did donations too and found that <0.01% of users paid anything, and the average for even the most used packages made on average $40 a month. That doesn’t pay a full time fry cook, let alone developer

    lemann,

    I remember this being a problem on GitHub where developers would full on attack NPM packages that requested funding or donations in the installer.

    Core-js had a really rough ride with that one, and babel (one of their main users) could not spare any development time to work on it, in the absence of the single maintainer.

    It’s kind of disappointing in FOSS circles how some just refuse to acknowledge that devs need to eat - not everyone codes open source software as a side/passion project in spare time.

    scrubbles,
    @scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech avatar

    Yup, I remember the core-js debacle, one dude literally supporting the entirety of the internet, tried everything he could just to get some funding from literally anyone, that was the 40 dollar mark I got, he got 40 dollars to maintain core-js. I’m sure even Lemmy here uses it.

    He would receive threats on his github on this project he started for fun saying there were bugs, or they needed features, and he said he even received death threats for just asking for funding. Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, and Google all use core-js but none of them gave him anything for using it anywhere. He even asked them all if he could just come work for them and maintain corejs since they all use it so heavily, none of them responded. So he just gave up, and said basically screw everyone, no one wants to support me, my family has sacrificed too much for this project that no one wants to pay for, and he got a real job and stopped updating core-js.

    It’s a sad story. Everyone here loves to praise FOSS, and if we lived in the Federation we’d be able to support FOSS simply by using it, but if you’re using it and not supporting the developers then you’re not truly a FOSS supporter. I’m really honestly ashamed with how people here have acted in this thread, principals are great but so few are willing to put their money where their mouth is. The donation button for Lemmy devs is right at the top, how many people in this thread have even clicked on it, let alone donated?

    emidio,

    FOSS doesn’t mean your product/service/app is free to use

    utopianrevolt,

    I understand people’s concerns and criticism over the use of Google-based ads, but I have no issue paying for no ads knowing how much work has been put into the app. I’m glad we have some great FOSS options as well (shoutout to Infinity and Thunder, among others!)

    PopOfAfrica,

    I mean you have yo question how much the guy values privacy if he even considered Google ads as a monetization model.

    Stumblinbear,
    @Stumblinbear@pawb.social avatar

    Google ads are really the only ones worth a damn. Easy to sign up, they pay very well, and their libraries are incredibly easy to implement.

    The alternative is some no-name you’ve never heard of that requires you to apply for entry to use their platform and serves you virus ads.

    Pick one

    AlecSadler, to reddit in Reddit Admin team asking for volunteer moderators at tons of subreddits

    I hope it all burns down.

    substill,

    I hope they get a slew of new moderators who make every subreddit unbearable by deleting every good post and leaving only bullshit ones.

    eleitl,

    That has already happened in the last years.

    RQG,
    @RQG@lemmy.world avatar

    But this time on purpose.

    fernfrost,

    Let’s rename it to Y first

    FlyingSquid,
    @FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

    Huffman does love emulating Musk…

    thesmokingman, to reddit in Aaron is no longer considered as cofounder by reddit. He fought for free speech.

    Swartz wasn’t involved in the origins of Reddit. He got involved when Y Combinator combined his company with Reddit (something along those lines?). He was not an actual founder, just an early influencer. In many ways, decoupling him from the shitshow that Ohanian and Huffman have engendered is a good thing.

    This is very similar to the argument of Musk being a founder of Tesla.

    Gramba,

    Also Swartz had a section of his homepage defending child pornography as "not necessarily abuse" and that possession & distribution of it should be a first amendment right. He also advocated for a violent overthrow of the US government. Here's a cache of one instance of him defending it. Aaron did some really great tech stuff, but he's not a person that should be regarded as some hero as he had a lot of views that were misguided at best.

    breadsmasher,
    @breadsmasher@lemmy.world avatar

    Your link isn’t working for me

    Gramba,

    It's a link to an archive of his http://bits.are.notabug.com site on the wayback machine as his site is no longer online. It's working for me on my PC and my phone. I can take a screenshot and share it if your browser is unable to load the wayback machine?

    bear_with_a_hammer,

    Having lived some life, I can say that a righteous act is not always the one that most people think about, because the opinion of most people can be changed in a manner, that more popular and influential people want.

    Gramba,

    You're gonna have to dumb it down for me as I'm not sure what you mean by this in relation to this discussion.

    bear_with_a_hammer,

    I don’t think you get my point.

    Gramba,

    Yes that's what I why I asked you to state more simply for me.

    WarmSoda,

    They said that they don’t. That’s why they want you to explain it better.

    elbarto777,

    He is saying that CP is illegal because it’s unpopular, not because “it’s the right thing to do.” So, if CP becomes popular in the future, then it totes will be fine.

    Which is a fucking disgusting thing to say in 2023.

    bear_with_a_hammer, (edited )

    I think my explanation was exhaustive, but yes, that’s right… This applies not only to cp, the same “popular” people did not like Aaron, and it would be beneficial for them to have someone criticize Swartz, the usual psychology is to expose a person in a bad light, telling only about his misdeeds, binding some bad events to his/her world views. Some even pay for it.

    The point is that — people tend to forget all the good in a person, if he has done thousands of good deeds, one of his choices, which is not accepted or understood in society, reduces them all to nothing.

    dartos,

    You can use periods. It makes it easier to grok

    elbarto777,

    Well, of course. You can cure cancer, but if you fuck kids, then people will remember you as the kid fucker. I don’t see how that’s a problem.

    bear_with_a_hammer,

    How about the millions of kids you cured of cancer that will live?

    ChunkMcHorkle,
    @ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world avatar

    If you are a pediatric oncologist (someone curing kids of cancer) then you are in a position to have access to many children. If you are also a pedo, then you are also sexually assaulting a subset of them, which makes the difference between the subset and the whole set of zero importance.

    If this is too puzzling for you, Larry Nassar has a lot of time on his hands these days, and might be willing to tell you about how he sees the difference between the underage gymnasts he simply coached in contrast to the smaller subset of underage gymnasts he coached AND sexually assaulted.

    bear_with_a_hammer,

    I meant scientist which could cure overall, some cancer is incurable currently, only delayable.

    orrk,

    no, people will only remember you as a kid fucker if you are poor, rich people just spend money on C&D + PR campaign, and watch how owning slaves and CP is washed out of public consciousness…

    elbarto777,

    Like Jeffrey Epstein and Prince Andrews?

    orrk,

    you can’t well do it when you’re dead, and the other barely finished in 2022.

    how about: Bryan Singer, Nathan Manrow, Dennis Hastert, R. Kelly, Curtis Johnson, Samantha Bouvier, etc…

    and the best part? I just tossed in a few names that you don’t really know, and some of these are in the 40+different children numbers.

    dartos,

    Run on, sentences make very, hard for others to understand the, point you’re trying, to make.

    theodewere,
    @theodewere@kbin.social avatar

    i heard that Ohanian and Huffman have people out there trying to suggest that he was a pedo or some shit, what about that

    Gramba,

    I'd say you can read Aaron's own defense of child porn on his website and draw your own conclusions. If you're trying to suggest that I'm somehow defending Ohanian and Huffman, far from it. I can think Swartz shouldn't be considered a modern folk hero and still not like the other two.

    Huffman was a mod for the jailbait subreddit.

    Here's an interview with Ohanian after CNN reported on the jailbait subreddit which caused Reddit to close it down. Alexis blames CNN for "making up jibber jabber" and the children who allowed images of their abuse to be posted online.

    This type of view was apparently support by all the original Reddit folks, just because Swartz has a better reputation now doesn't mean he didn't also share those views.

    theodewere,
    @theodewere@kbin.social avatar

    i really don't give half a shit about any of them, they have their heads so far up their asses

    Bak,

    I thought the mod thing was because you used to be able to be modded for a subreddit without your approval

    TopRamenBinLaden, (edited )

    He was 16 years old when he posted this. The statement is disgusting and not really defensable by itself, but I wonder if this was a dumb naive teenage take, or if he still thought this way up until he died.

    I also don’t know if he was actually a pedophile, or if he just thought freedom of information on the web should be taken to the extreme. I would lean towards the latter since he seemed to have a relationship with an older woman at some point, but I don’t think I will ever truly know for sure.

    Gramba,

    That archive date I linked is from shortly after his death. If you go through the various archive dates you can see that he made changes to the page over the years. He added the bit about wanting a violent overthrow of the government when he was 18 or 19. In 2007 when he would have been 21, the archive just shows a note that he had a server crash and the site is gone but you can email him if you want a copy of it. By the time he was 22 he'd put the site back online. He made more edits visible through the following years until his death. So yeah we don't know his thoughts but we do he continued to maintain that page, even choosing to restore it after a server crash, until the point he killed himself. It's not as though it's an online post he made as a kid and forgot about.

    TopRamenBinLaden,

    Thank you for the clarification there. I was not aware of the history of that cringey page. I had no idea that he kept it up and running like that.

    Wollff,

    The statement is disgusting and not really defensable by itself

    I hate it when this happens. Why do feelings always play into this discussion? “The statement is disgusting”, is not an argument, and should never be part of any discussion.

    No matter how disgusted a statement might make you feel, if it has a good argument behind it, it should be regarded as true.

    I agree that the argument doesn’t quite work. And that’s that.

    TopRamenBinLaden,

    I just meant that it makes me feel gross. I imagine many people feel the same. I guess the statement itself isn’t disgusting, but what it is advocating for is. On the other hand,

    the argument doesn’t quite work.

    is putting it a bit lightly, in my opinion. Mostly because pedophilia is a generally despised act that should probably not really be argued for in the first place.

    zer0,

    These two run a rigged company plagued with censorship that over the years collaborated with all sort of scum including the chinese government. I really wouldn’t trust what they have to say

    soviettaters,

    Oh…oh no

    princessnorah,
    @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    That website has been the same since it’s first archive on 2002-12-17. Aaron Swartz had just turned 16 a month earlier. I know I had some seriously immature opinions at that age. As well, that website was still up as of this January, a decade since his passing. www.aaronsw.com is also still up, and it doesn’t look like it was updated since 2002 either. Neither is any of this referenced on his wikipedia page, nor on it’s talk page. This feels like such a reach…

    rambaroo,

    I said some dumb things too, but not “child porn isn’t abuse and should be legal”. That’s straight up predatory. You can’t tell me a 16 year old shouldn’t know better

    princessnorah,
    @princessnorah@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Yes, I can. 16 years old is a child. I also live in one of the first jurisdictions in the world to legalise 15-17yo sexting images. I wonder if his frustration came from restrictions he faced at the time. I thought it was pretty dumb as a teen that I couldn’t take a picture of my own naked body. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

    pinkdrunkenelephants,

    I’m sorry but I’m not about to hold people accountable for dumb things they said as a teen.

    Wollff,

    “child porn isn’t abuse and should be legal”

    I think that this is not true. It definitely is abuse. But I also think that the argument for why it is so, is not that trivial.

    I mean, can you make it? Try it out!

    Let’s say someone distributes CP. How does what happens here, the sending of 0s and 1s across a wire, constitute abuse?

    If you think about it like that, it doesn’t.

    Of course if you take into account a broader context, then this argument does break down. For the details you would probably need complex words and terms like “retraumatization” and “inability to consent”, and “right to one’s own image”, and know a bit about what those things are, and how they work.

    I wouldn’t expect every 16 year old today to be able to get all of that straight. And I would not expect any 16 year old in the early 2000s, an age long, long before metoo, and any sensitivity toward sexual trauma, to be able to get that.

    genoxidedev1,
    @genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

    What. The actual. Fuck. This guy is comparing peas to pies.

    Imagine wanting to legalize that shit because "We don't arrest everyone with videotapes of murders, or make it illegal for TV stations to show people being killed.". Can't he imagine what would happen if we legalized that shit?

    I think someone needs to get their hard drives examined.

    Gramba,

    The feds did come after him for other computer crimes (unrelated to those views) and he hung himself and investigation into him stopped at that point.

    genoxidedev1,
    @genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

    Eh, didn't know the full story behind him (or even that he hung himself for that matter).

    I'm not gonna pretend to have sympathy for him if he was guilty of possessing the stuff that he was advocating for.

    rDrDr,

    He didn’t hang himself because of child porn. He hung himself because he was facing life in prison for downloading some journal articles. The government was trying to make an example out of him.

    Tmiwi,

    Actually he was facing 6 months on a plea deal but refused as he wouldn’t accept that he commited felonies. Then he killed himself rather than do his time.

    squiblet,
    @squiblet@kbin.social avatar

    Yeah, it wasn’t mandatory that he had to kill himself. It’s absurd that the gov’t was prosecuting him, and fuck scientific journals, but even if he served some time in prison… other people do that and, you know, get out of prison eventually.

    WarmSoda,

    But you have no problem creating judgement about the guy without knowing anything about him.

    genoxidedev1,
    @genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

    I read what he posted on his website. I know enough to make that judgement. I know me AND you would have said the exact same thing about everyone else that posted that shit on their website.

    WarmSoda,

    No, you and I are different. I read what a 16 year old kid wrote AND I read the article that he linked to that explains why he was saying what he said.

    You are basing your entire view of an adult based on what they wrote as a kid, without reading further to see why they had that opinion at the time. And you’re completely fine judging them that way.

    exscape,
    @exscape@kbin.social avatar

    He was a big fan of freedom of speech of all kinds. That doesn't in any way suggest he possessed child porn. Read the entire page and it becomes quite clear that he is literally just listing laws that make certain kinds of data illegal.

    I strongly disagree that CSAM should be legal, but the point that honest people have their lives ruined by being accused of possessing it, or by having normal images of their children, is certainly true.

    genoxidedev1,
    @genoxidedev1@kbin.social avatar

    If you defend that shit in ANY way I'm gonna raise some eyebrows way up.

    I do not care if it's to defend "free speech", there's WAY better ways to be an advocate for "any" free speech that don't include advocating for murder, hate speech or in this case CP.

    "Child pornography is not necessarily abuse.", sure buddy.

    "Even if it was, preventing the distribution or posession of the evidence won't make the abuse go away.", yeah the typical "stricter gun laws won't make mass shootings go away" excuse. Of course, but legalizing it would only make it way worse.

    Action_Bastid,
    @Action_Bastid@lemmy.world avatar

    I mean, he’s dead, so bit late for that.

    binarybomb,

    He’s dead

    entropicshart,
    @entropicshart@lemmy.world avatar

    FYI your link is broken and is just leading to the archive home page

    Gramba,

    Sorry I'm brand new here. The link I put is https://web.archive.org/web/20130116210225/http://bits.are.notabug.com/ which loads an archived copy of his homepage as it's no longer online since his death. The link loads properly for me on all my devices, even when i click it from my comment. Did I perhaps format the link incorrectly here and that's why it's not working? I know it's a bit of an odd url format that the wayback machine uses.

    WhatAmLemmy,

    Still not formatted correctly on memmy. Let’s see if this works…

    web.archive.org/web/…/bits.are.notabug.com/

    looks like a bug in lemmy or certain clients. Probably to do with the double absolute URL’s in archive links…

    AlexisFR,
    @AlexisFR@jlai.lu avatar

    I mean, he was still a man unstable enough to end up killing himself, so it’s not entirely surprising.

    orbituary,

    You don’t understand suicide or depression. You’re making a grossly crass statement, no matter what the man may have done in life.

    HeavenAndHell,
    @HeavenAndHell@lemmy.world avatar

    In the US, it is illegal to possess or distribute child pornography, apparently because doing so will encourage people to sexually abuse children.

    This is absurd logic. Child pornography is not necessarily abuse. Even if it was, preventing the distribution or posession of the evidence won’t make the abuse go away. We don’t arrest everyone with videotapes of murders, or make it illegal for TV stations to show people being killed.

    I don’t know if that’s the reason CP is actually banned, but his logic is even worse and dumber by a mile.

    jballs,

    Child pornography is not necessarily abuse.

    What the fuck. How is this guy a CEO and not publicly shunned?

    Edit: My bad, I thought that was text posted by Spez.

    superschurke,

    He’s dead. That’s why

    superschurke,

    He’s dead. That’s why

    SmarfDurden,
    @SmarfDurden@lemmy.world avatar

    He’s dead

    flatplutosociety,
    @flatplutosociety@lemmy.world avatar

    This is a quote from Aaron Swartz, a guy who (kinda sorta) co-founded Reddit, not the current CEO. Swartz has been dead for ten years and never had any leadership position with Reddit.

    Syrc,

    I mean, the article linked in that page (albeit horribly long due to useless info) does raise a point against current laws on viewing illegal material.

    But sharing it? Yeah that’s a bit of a stretch. Thinking that isn’t going to lead to more actual children being exploited is extremely naive.

    Wollff,

    Thinking that isn’t going to lead to more actual children being exploited is extremely naive.

    That particular argument doesn’t hold water. We don’t generally subscribe to this kind of argument.

    The general principle behind the specific argument you bring up here is this: All expression which is likely to inspire someone toward illegal action should itself be illegal.

    CP is likely to inspire some people toward child abuse. Child abuse is illegal. Thus the distribution of CP should be illegal.

    We don’t do this anywhere else.

    Descriptions of non consesnual violence are likely to inspire some people toward non consensual violence. Non consensual violence is illegal. Thus the distribution of all descriptions of non consensual violence should be illegal.

    If we take this seriously, we have to ban action movies. And I am not even getting into the whole porn debate…

    No, the only valid reason for banning the distribution of child porn which I can think of, lies in the rights of the victims. The victims were abused, and their image was used without their consent. Without them even possibly being able to give consent to any of that, or the distribution that follows.

    So anyone who shares child porn, is guaranteed to share a piece of media which shows someone being subjected to a crime, while they couldn’t possibly give consent for that to be recorded, or shared publicly. Making it illegal to share someone being a victim of a crime, without them being able to consent to that being shared, is a reasoning which has far fewer problems than what you propose here.

    Rodeo,

    You raise a few valid points, but the problem with the action film thing is that it is fiction, and thus protected by free speech rights.

    That’s actually the main argument against lolicon being illegal: depictions of other crimes, including heinous ones like murder and rape, are not illegal.

    Ultimately it comes down to inconsistency in the law, and sensationalism makes it very difficult to discuss rationally.

    Syrc,

    The general principle behind the specific argument you bring up here is this: All expression which is likely to inspire someone toward illegal action should itself be illegal

    To me it’s more like “All situations where committing illegal actions could bring a positive feedback to the perpetrator should be avoided”.

    Allowing CP to be shared, and thus sold/hosted on for-profit sites creates a market for it, and makes abusing children an actual profession. That’s not ok and already a talking point against the current, legal, porn industry.

    orrk,

    that line of reasoning sort of assumes that there can’t be a market for illegal things, something anyone should be able to realize is fundamentally untrue, examples; Drugs, Firearms, the very CP we are talking about, rape porn, snuff porn, etc… they all have markets even tho they are completely or partially (like the firearms, with only some falling into the category) illegal

    Yendor,

    That particular argument doesn’t hold water. We don’t generally subscribe to this kind of argument.

    The general principle behind the specific argument you bring up here is this: All expression which is likely to inspire someone toward illegal action should itself be illegal.

    CP is likely to inspire some people toward child abuse. Child abuse is illegal. Thus the distribution of CP should be illegal.

    We don’t do this anywhere else.

    Yes we do. Plenty of stuff is banned by federal law. Snuff films, for the same reason as CP/CSAM. Obscene pornography (stuff showing abuse or degradation, even if it’s just acting) isn’t illegal to posses, but it is illegal to buy, distribute or carry across state lines. Ivory is illegal, unless you have a certificate proving it is from pre-1989. These are all banned to stop demand.

    And that’s not even getting started Americas long history of banning books.

    Wollff,

    Yes we do. Plenty of stuff is banned by federal law.

    Do you get what I mean? If you do, why are you being so overly literal here?

    Snuff films, for the same reason as CP/CSAM

    And action movies are not. Neither are horror or slasher movies. Neither is porn. Even though each of them might (or might not) inspire and incentivize illegal deeds.

    It is not a general principle we subscribe to. It is enforced very selectively, and only in areas that we find most shocking. Which is understandable, but neither reasonable, nor consistent. I don’t know about you, but I think criminal law should be based on principles which are reasonable and consistent.

    One such principle may be: “Media which may inspire illegal action, should be illegal themselves”

    But that’s not consistently enforced, but selectively, limited by criteria which seem dubious at best.

    This is what I mean, when I say “This argument does not hold water”

    These are all banned to stop demand.

    And that’s the interesting question: Why only these things, and nothing else? There is plenty of stuff out there which may inspire people toward illegal action, from real world depictions of violence, to action movies.

    CaptainEffort,

    Yes, that’s why CP is banned. It being distributed and sold encourages the further making of it, thus leading to more instances of children being abused.

    zer0,

    He also advocated for a violent overthrow of the US government.

    Half of the US goverment are pedos, under your own logic he advocated for something good.

    he’s not a person that should be regarded as some hero

    With the amount of scum and corruption around these days any public figure not afraid to share their own thoughts should indeed be regarded as an hero

    Gramba,

    Isn't that a bit of a conflict to think violence against the government is good because there are pedos in the government and also that Aaron should be a hero for not being afraid to share his thoughts of defending pedos?

    zer0,

    He’s not defending pedophiles he’s making a point against the law you stupid idiot. The guy was arrested and faced life imprisonment over something that shouldn’t have been a crime to begin with

    Gramba,

    Child pornography is not necessarily abuse.

    What point was he trying to make here?

    zer0,

    read the rest of the page and you will find out

    elkaki,

    I sure love it when people use a single opinion to smear a person’s entire legacy, he was great not only for the tech stuff but his stance on scientific articles piracy and a lot of other stuff too.

    I won’t say that that his opinion on cp is a great one (there is no doubt at least for me that distribution should always be illegal), but he wrote it as a 16 years old and it was guided due to his extremism for free speech over the internet, regardless, it’s not like he himself was an evil person distributing child pornography, to paint him as an overall shitty person for an opinion like this seems idiotic imo

    This is q bit personal and maybe slightly unrelated, but it reminds me of when people defend non-offending pedos (as in they are attracted to children because yhey are born that way but have not offended, nor groomed, nor harmed a child) saying the stigma should be erased because that would allow us to actually help this people who constantly hide it, therefore reducing the harm to children. This position has unironically got me called a pedophile and a lot of horrible stuff over the internet, and I would draw parallels to this situation, no matter how you slice it this opinion should not be used singlehandedly to state he is someone that shouldn’t be respected. Especially since he is not defending the harm itself being done to children (as in the production of CP) which would still be a crime under his view. (Although distribution of course grows the market so it’s idiotic not to go after that too), but as I said, it’s a bad opinion but that doesn’t make him a bad person.

    Gramba,

    I'm not saying Aaron was 100% bad, my point is that I don't really think he's some modern-day hero either. And I've already replied to someone that dismissed the his child porn views as a forgotten childhood comment. It wasn't merely a poorly thought out comment he made at 16 and forgot about, he maintained and edited that page until his death, even restoring it after a server crash deleted it.

    If you want to celebrate his tech contributions or his views on scientific piracy I'm all for it. I just don't agree with this view of him getting spread that he's some hero co-founder of Reddit that is being unfairly erased from history when that's inaccurate at best. He's just a dude that did some great things, had some great views, had some really really shit views, and never gave a shit about reddit.

    commandar,

    It's why all the appeals to "what would Aaron think" with the whole API thing were really off the mark.

    spez and kn0thing were college buddies. Swartz was kind of pushed onto them by YC. I've never had the impression that they felt any particular attachment to him; he was a business partner that became involved at the behest of the people funding them, who left in the first couple of years.

    PriorProject,

    He’s also listed right at the top of the page, in the screenshot where people are complaining about him not being listed. He doesn’t get a snoo caricature, but this seems like a not totally unreasonable (if literally comicly simplified) representation of a complex and fairly contentious founding relationship that DOES show Swartz’ involvement as one of the 3 founders.

    shottymcb,

    That part of the screenshot is from Google, the rest is from reddit.

    thisisnotgoingwell,

    Why say something that is wrong, and easily can be checked? This wasn’t company A acquired company B. This is company A and B merged to form company C, “Not a bug” to which Aaron Swartz became partial owner of and founding partner of.

    Also, saying Aaron was only an influencer (seriously, what is that?) is also very incorrect, Aaron basically refactored all their shit code and made reddit functional.

    thesmokingman,

    Reddit was Steve and Alex who merged with infogami. By your argument SPACs are completely new companies and pull founders from both. Reddit was originally written in LISP and rewritten with Aaron. The code was still shit (and still is shit).

    Why say something that is wrong that can easily be checked?

    thisisnotgoingwell,

    “Early the next year, he published a blog post that some took to be a suicide note, which scared his cofounders enough that Alexis called the police”

    Maybe try reading your source before citing it?

    Any code from that era of the internet could most likely be called shit… Shit code has levels. Steve and Alex struggled to have even functional code… Aaron’s code wasn’t the Mona Lisa, he hardly considered himself a programmer, but it was functional.

    emberwit,

    Which makes him a founder of “Not a bug”, not reddit.

    conditional_soup, to lemmyshitpost in And now Bezos is trying to insert ads everywhere

    Tbh, the worst part is when you pay for it and still get ads anyway. Feels like double dipping, but it’s obviously going to happen because wall street doesn’t like when line only goes up a little.

    Bonehead,

    Welcome to cable TV in the late 80s...

    dan,

    Yeah that’s totally galling. Shrinkflationfor online services.

    You know some shiny-suited corporate asshole got a huge bonus for coming up with that though.

    Fried_out_Kombi,
    @Fried_out_Kombi@lemmy.world avatar

    Enshrinklification of the internet

    HerbalGamer,

    Rolls off the tongue

    eatham,
    @eatham@aussie.zone avatar

    En-shrink-if-ication

    HerbalGamer,

    missed an L

    Adori,
    @Adori@lemmy.world avatar

    Man’s only gets Ws

    affiliate,

    the problem is that making the line go up even a little gets exponentially harder with time. because the graph not going up at any given point in time is so unimaginably horrible to them, they keep having to think of new insidious ways of satisfying it

    spankinspinach,

    I actually find myself wondering lately “what’s so bad about stable (+/- 5%/annum) profits for some stretches of time.” Sure you’re not eating up market share, but a couple million in the pocket every year really isn’t that bad…

    I… May not be cut out for capitalism…

    FlexibleToast,

    Only private companies can get away with thinking like that. Companies that can put the stakeholder’s interest ahead of the shareholder.

    Wolf_359,

    Companies who stay private can do this. It’s when you have investors that you’re fucked and the ponzi scheme starts.

    The idea, in its purest form, is that companies will innovate to keep investors happy. They will keep expanding and making wonderful new products. As an example, a printer company will start making phones, then laptops, then maybe expand into chemicals or farm equipment, making bold innovations at every step.

    Companies who can’t innovate do this shit (inflate prices until they suck) and then they die because they’re no longer competitive.

    …in theory.

    hemko,

    Yeah it’s crazy. We have TV plan with some 100 channels bundled up with internet, and sometimes rarely when I watch TV I’m just baffled by the fact a paid service still is full of ads

    Touching_Grass,

    We let it happen. You either put your foot down at the first instance of this thing or you lose any ability to do it because it eventually gets so big you can’t stop it without some whole new technology. But there’s always going to be people who say “how else are people going to pay for websites if not advertising” I say not my fucking problem. Just like robbing my free time with bullshit ads wasn’t their problem.

    clonedhuman,
    @clonedhuman@lemmy.world avatar

    I’ve become a strong proponent of the joys of piracy.

    billy_bollocks,

    This. I’m building a media server as we speak. Fuck these assholes

    railsdev,

    I really which torrents would move to i2p. There’s just not enough available there to make it feasible for direct streaming.

    IHaveTwoCows,

    I am a strong proponent of finding other hobbies, but I have never been a fan of tv in general

    billy_bollocks,

    This is really the best option. Plus media server

    jmankman,

    The creator of the radio and even the US government were wary of the idea of introducing ads into American living rooms, but look at us now.

    steelrat, (edited )
    @steelrat@lemmy.world avatar

    Given my entertainment options, I found a small developer that sells an app for a couple bucks that allows me to pull streams through my phone and transcode it and chromecast it to my projector. Juijitsu Kaisen never looked so good.

    SnipingNinja,

    Which app?

    steelrat, (edited )
    @steelrat@lemmy.world avatar

    play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.instant…

    I guess I should mention they also defang, adblock, and can fake useragents if they attempt to block based on usermask/profiling. See why I wanted to pay this cat?

    just_another_person, to technology in Why are people hyped about RSS regaining relevance?

    Because then they can avoid social media again by building their own catalog of interest.

    1bluepixel,
    @1bluepixel@lemmy.world avatar

    For me, the value of RSS is bypassing the fucking algorithm.

    Just give me the raw feed from the websites I like. No suggestions, no “someone else liked this.” Just the raw firehose of content that I asked for.

    spacecadet,

    This is the reason why for me, I actually took it one step further and rebuilt a front end news site with Django and shared the link out with friends who are interested in the same topics, added a discussion feature. Essentially, I have a python script that runs and pulls RSS feed data. If the whole article isn’t included then it uses Asyncio, aiohttp, and Beautifulsoup to pull in the article. Dump all that to a Postgres instance then have Django run on top of it. It’s like deconstructing news to reconstruct it

    revv,

    That sounds awesome! Any chance you’d be willing to share your code?

    drunkencommando,

    Would you mind sharing this? I would be very interested in running my own instance of this and modifying it to fit my needs!

    slander,

    also check out miniflux

    TrenchcoatFullofBats,

    Newsblur also does something similar and is self-hostable.

    jettrscga,

    There’s still an algorithm and “like” system in that scenario: clicks. The news providers generate more content based on what was clicked most.

    Some sites are more objective in what they report on, but there’s still going to be biases in what you’re fed.

    In that regard, I’m not sure how different subscribing to certain communities is from subscribing to certain news outlets.

    misk,
    @misk@sopuli.xyz avatar

    Clickbait is obviously an issue with many media outlets but given that you curate your RSS feeds you can just dump them. Once reddit died I made plenty of changes to my media diet. It left me with way less sources but I’m certain all I lost was low quality reporting and other kinds of outrage bait.

    StenSaksTapir,

    I do kinda like the idea of some kind of curation, but I’d like the algorithm to be transparent to me, so that I can go in and see what’s been filtered out, for instance, and why.

    Some guy on Mastodon a while back was working on a service that’d give him a digest of daily posts he’d missed from his feed. I could see the value in something like that, as long as you control the algorithm yourself.

    I think I’m still stuck on the idea of a daily edition. A finite selection of post or articles and maybe a funny pages section too. Like a newspaper in the olden days.

    nekusoul,
    @nekusoul@lemmy.nekusoul.de avatar

    You can also use it to create your own “algorithm”.

    With Reddit I’ve always subscribed to each subreddit individually, sometimes adding filters like “/hot/?limit=10”, which only shows posts that reach the Top 10 posts in /hot. That way I wouldn’t miss any post in niche subs while being able to individually scale the amount of posts I get shown from the bigger subs.

    You can do the same here on Lemmy, although I still haven’t felt the need to configure it, since staying on top of /new is still doable.

    TheGreenGolem,

    Individual/custom feeds would be awesome here. If I remember correctly from github, they are coming.

    TrustingZebra,

    I mean algorithms have their flaws but there is a reason they became popular.

    Subscribe to a dozen RSS feeds and suddenly you have more content then you can read with no easy way to sort through the chuff. Also no easy way to discover content beyond your feeds.

    techgearwhips,

    The way I like it. The showRSS feed is beautiful after using Google Home feed for so long. I’ll never go back to ads and Google trying to sell me pixel products and reviews every day

    HobbitFoot,

    The reason why RSS didn’t become popular was because content creators didn’t know how to monetize them while still having to pay for hosting fees.

    Social media built walled gardens that could drive traffic to certain content creators if it was in the social media company’s best interest. Content creators moved to social media since the carrot was too much to resist.

    paraphrand,

    The only algorithm I want is the classic “Sort by Magic.”

    TrustingZebra,

    What’s that?

    average_internet_enjoyer,

    Wasn’t that how YouTube used to work tho? Still I think it’s better discovering new channels, but that makes it harder for the new users I suppose

    TrustingZebra,

    Funny you need YouTube. I have been rediscovering the “Subscriptions” tab recently. It’s a chronological view (newest first) of all Channels I am subscribed to, but I actually haven’t used it for years.

    I’ve gotten used to the YouTube algorithm, going to the homepage and just finding whatever seemingly interesting videos YouTube suggests to me. However recently, YouTube made the strange decision to disable the homepage for people who disable Watch History. Now my YouTube homepage is entirely empty.

    Anyway, going to the subscription tab it’s just a massive collection of random channels I’ve subscribed to over the years. It’s too messy to keep my interest, and I’ve actually been using YouTube less.

    average_internet_enjoyer,

    Same here, I have removed the home page (using ReVanced) so it automatically loads my subscriptions, as I found those has far better videos than my home feed at all. Homepage has really died, I keep getting the same videos I already watched, some obscure 39 views video keep annoying me and because I use YouTube music I also get recommended music, except they have like 100 views. It’s just so terrible.

    I think YouTube has been disabling the homepage, so you are more intrigued to enable it. But it really just makes your and my lives easier. Either way it’s the only way to really enjoy the videos nowadays. Hopefully another platform comes along, but that hasn’t happened at all in over 20 years

    TrustingZebra,

    That’s the thing, I personally liked the YouTube homepage! Even with watch history disabled, I found it gave me decent mix of recommendations based on my region, subscriptions and Liked videos. I know many people dislike the YouTube algorithm but it actually worked well for me.

    Now that YouTube has disabled my homepage (held hostage unless I turn on Watch History), I am far less inclined to go on YouTube and watch random videos. Which is probably a good thing for me, let’s be honest. On the other hand I don’t know what YouTube wanted to achieve with this move. I find it hilarious that my homepage is empty now by Google’s own choice.

    average_internet_enjoyer,

    And you know what? The channels today are super sensational when it comes to their titles and thumbnails like it’s always about a curiosity gap or some extreme headline that makes you annoyed and I’m honestly over it. It’s just so hard to find good channels that are genuinely entertaining and don’t employ any of these. Honestly I’d go back to 2013 YouTube, it was far better

    HellAwaits,

    I’ll give you a raw firehose of content.

    No homo.

    artic,

    Yes homo make it really gay

    wahming,
    captainlezbian, to asklemmy in Why is youtube suggesting aggressive actions against protestors?

    The YouTube algorithm is biased towards content that encourages further engagement, anger causes that, and right wing propaganda is designed to make people angry

    Voyajer,
    @Voyajer@kbin.social avatar

    Yup, content consumption algorithms almost always seem to push ragebait, clickbait, and other low quality results.

    Skua, to mildlyinteresting in This bridge goes through the water and not over it, The Netherlands

    The Dutch, not content with merely driving the sea back, now seek to taunt and humiliate it

    Risk,

    OP’s image needs to be captioned with your comment and then ever so slightly jpegified. chef’s kiss

    Swedneck,
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar
    appel,

    😗👌

    Plaid_Kaleidoscope,
    @Plaid_Kaleidoscope@lemmy.world avatar

    Fucking masterpiece

    Obi,
    @Obi@sopuli.xyz avatar

    And it was the result of beautiful team work. Good job team, I hope that meme takes off.

    Ryumast3r,

    If you hit source (jerboa) on the image you get this:

    ![](…tchncs.de/…/cf7fb761-4b72-4038-afee-f8951d4c7f95…

    Which is an interesting format and I wish I could just save your image. I guess this is a request to the devs.

    Gestrid,

    To do a feature request for Jerboa, you can fill out the form here: github.com/dessalines/jerboa/issues/new?assignees…

    Ryumast3r,

    I’m too drunk for that, but I will try at some point. Thank you!

    Cosmonauticus,

    I’m too drunk to meme this chicken

    Risk,

    Try Liftoff ;)

    Scribbd,
    Risk,

    Has polandball come across to the fediverse yet?

    tkk13909,

    Beautiful

    AnarchistArtificer,

    I have no idea why you think it would be improved by slight adding of jpeg, but I agree, and I don’t know why. It feels like meme salt. Or maybe meme umami

    Skua,

    It's a matter of time before we start manually adding iFunny banners at the bottom for authenticity

    TvanBuuren,

    We try our best ;)

    Ryumast3r,

    Do you really? Because I hear from Europeans they hate you.

    I joke because personally I love the Dutch, but not necessarily Amsterdam. Such a great country.

    The Danes have you beat in friendliness though I think… They’re so damn happy I can’t understand it.

    megasin1,

    You’re thinking of a caricature from Austin powers.

    567PrimeMover,
    @567PrimeMover@kbin.social avatar

    Not unlike the mighty Beaver, the Dutch have an instinctual drive to bend water to their will

    RooRLoord420,

    And much like the beaver, many of our artificial flavors are made from the expressed anal glands of the Dutch.

    SARGEx117, (edited ) to mildlyinfuriating in Amazon Anti Union propaganda

    Legit had someone from my last job start going on a break room tirade about how “those damn unions just want your money” but strangely had no rebuttal when asked why giving them 2% of your paycheck is a bad thing when they negotiated your RAISE to be 15% and your health benefits add up to an additional savings of around 20%.

    I’m SO SORRY you’re getting extra money and healthcare rather than the NOTHING you had before.

    Nowadays I like to print up cards with unionizing information on them, facts vs myths, links to read up more, anti-union tactics, links to join unions, links to find HELP setting up a union, and basically anything I could cram into a business card. Now I leave about 10 of them any time I go into a non union store.

    Given how previous management has reacted to “someone” leaving these in the break room, I’m sure I’ve caused a few sleepless nights.

    Spuddaccino,

    For union dues, I’ll sometimes bring up strikes. People know that when unions strike, they aren’t working, and when they aren’t working, they aren’t getting paid. What they don’t realize is that most unions pay the employees during strikes, and that money has to come from somewhere.

    SARGEx117,

    You’re literally partially making sure you still get PAID when shit happens.

    Very good point, and I honestly wonder how common that knowledge even is.

    Then again, almost all anti-union propaganda hinges on people not knowing enough about the subject to call it out. As with most propaganda.

    Gyrolemmy, (edited )

    Nevermind! I see what was said was that the unions can pay striking workers but it wont be the standard rate. So striking could cause lost wages.

    SARGEx117,

    Hmm. It’s been a thing for every union I’ve been a part of, but it makes sense it wouldn’t be ALL of them that do it. I’m sure some just simply aren’t large enough to do it like that.

    Touching_Grass,

    I would be worried the Union management isn’t corrupt though.

    TheSanSabaSongbird,

    That’s something to worry about in every arena that involves money, not just unions. It’s just a fact of life that there are crooks and liars in the world.

    intensely_human,

    In every arena that involves authority.

    Touching_Grass,

    That’s true. I think that’s just what I’m trying to say. Unions are best for most jobs but are not great for all jobs. And they do have s lot of problems younger people might not realize. Some unions are bad for stiffing younger members giving work to older more experienced guys while younger guys pay the same dues. They can become the same shit different structure. So I’m not saying don’t unionize. But I am saying make sure the union serves its members and does not become just another thing that fucks you.

    In the end I prefer things like cooperatives over unions but we’re a long way from there. But they also suffer the same old boys club. In the end I think we overlook that we’re all just evil corporation’s without power and money. In the end we should look at the culture itself because there’s a reason corruption is king

    Spuddaccino,

    From the other side: I’m pro-union, but at my workplace I’m management.

    One of the guys on my crew is terrible at his job. Just awful. Everyone hates working with him, he doesn’t get anything done on time, he’s either stupid or willfully ignorant, the list goes on and on.

    The union, however, has negotiated that I can’t action for productivity. It literally doesn’t matter how badly he does his job, as long as he’s in his spot and something is happening, I can’t do anything. On top of that, this guy has seniority over most of the other guys on the crew, so I can’t even give him less hours without cutting the people who actually get shit done.

    It’s incredibly frustrating, and the only thing I can do is watch his attendance like a hawk in the hopes I can get rid of him for being late one too many times.

    phobiac,
    @phobiac@lemmy.world avatar

    No concerns about the company management being corrupt and working against your interests, though?

    intensely_human,

    The company is openly for its own interest. Corrupting the company would mean using the company for something other than seeking profit. A union, which is on your side, is the thing where corruption makes it go from serving you to not serving you. A company wasn’t serving you in the first place.

    Swedneck,
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    so get involved and make sure it isn’t? tell people if you think the management is corrupt so they can be tossed out on their ass.

    magnetosphere,
    @magnetosphere@kbin.social avatar

    I honestly did not know that. I’ve been wondering how, for example, UAW workers can afford to strike for weeks.

    TheSanSabaSongbird,

    The downside is that you won’t get paid as much as you would working. My union pays $200 a day to anyone on a picket line, but as a strike goes on, the money starts to run out.

    Fortunately it hasn’t come to that for us.

    Elivey,

    Better than getting nothing during that time! $200/day for me would be a lot of money.

    TheSanSabaSongbird,

    My local went on strike once in 2019, it lasted one day and everyone who picketed got $200.

    Last year we threatened to strike, had an authorization vote, but our signatory contractors association wanted nothing to do with it and we basically got everything we asked for with no work stoppage.

    The deal in my part of the country is that what with the CHIPS Act, there’s literally billions of dollars on the table and our signatory contractors can’t afford to get bogged down in labor disputes.

    The upshot is that it leaves the unions sitting pretty since they can’t access these incredibly lucrative contracts without using highly-trained union labor.

    There’s more to do with EMRs and the like, but I won’t bore you with the details.

    CurlyWurlies4All,
    @CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net avatar

    I know this might not apply elsewhere as I’m in Australia, but I always bring up that your union fees are totally tax deductible so you get it all back at tax time.

    dojan,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    It’s the same people that don’t get socialised healthcare. Union fees are like a tax that’s used to pay people to do work for you, in the case of worker unions, people that negotiate working conditions, benefits, and wages, in addition to lawyers that can both offer legal advice and representation should you be in need of it.

    Here in Sweden we have lots of different unions. We have a tenants union that negotiate rent increases, ensure that landlords do their end of the contract, and will help you with legal proceedings should it be required.

    There are also various “customer owned” institutions, like my bank, insurance company, and the grocery store I get most of my groceries from. The goal isn’t necessarily massive profits, but enough to sustain and develop the services, with surplus going back to the owners, that is the customers.

    It just makes sense. We all make use of schools as children, so funding that with taxes makes sense. It ensures everyone gets a good education, and at least one good meal per day. Same thing applies to healthcare.

    SARGEx117,

    My mother WORKS IN HEALTHCARE as the intermediary for the hospital network and the insurance companies.

    She literally sees the Financials of people every fucking day.

    And still she thinks socialized Healthcare would tank the entire US. I’ve shown charts, studies, anecdotal evidence out the wazoo (which is where anecdotal evidence usually comes from) But no, I can’t possibly be right about this, it would mean someone who got stabbed will have to wait on 600 people with the sniffles to be seen by a doctor in 6 months. Because I guess in socialized medicine, triage doesn’t exist? You can’t logic someone out of a position they didn’t logic themselves into.

    amio,

    It's always hard to get someone to realize a fact that would damage their paycheck.

    SpaceNoodle,

    I’ve actually talked to some health insurance drones that told me they’d gladly be out of a job due to universal healthcare.

    amio,

    Sure. People need to earn a living, after all. I'm talking more about general tendencies (unless you want to be extremely literal about that "always") in how people take in new information. Messing with ego, preconceptions, tribal status or money are great ways to make that really difficult.

    porkins, (edited )

    My problem with paying more taxes so everyone gets healthcare is that I put in the work, so that I get to see premium doctors. The socialized system lowers the incentive for there to be a spectrum of quality care. Instead you get the government standard, which is going to be like the DMV of healthcare. You are getting as good as can be what is offered to all, which is the antithesis of a capitalist system where your benefit from the fruits of your labor with a variety of options. The person on welfare with ten kids and no job shouldn’t get access to the same doctors as me, a working professional who knows not to have kids until I can afford them.

    TheSanSabaSongbird,

    Gross.

    Swedneck,
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    why do you hate poor people

    intensely_human,

    Why do you hate rich people?

    Swedneck, (edited )
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    Because they’re miserable egocentrics who would rather accrue wealth than help their fellow man.

    Now, what have poor people done to deserve to suffer?

    intensely_human,

    You seem to be arguing that rich people are bad people and poor people are good people, categorically.

    Did I summarize that right?

    Swedneck,
    @Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

    i have answered your question, stop deflecting and answer mine if you want to be taken seriously.

    SARGEx117,

    gestures wildly at the world ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND?

    intensely_human,

    Pretend I am. Articulate an argument and help me see.

    porkins,

    Because they have kids when they can’t afford them and I don’t do that. They are a burden on society by making bad decisions. I don’t hate them, but feel that they shouldn’t get handouts for being failures.

    SARGEx117,

    What a long winded way to say “I am a piece of shit who likes to see others suffer, because feel I am superior.”

    Either you stand to unfairly gain from the current system, or you’re an idiot who not only listens to companies like Walmart tell you about “welfare queens” but buys it hook line and sinker.

    Or you’re a troll, I guess.

    Because if you think what you pay in premiums is less than what you’d pay with properly managed universal healthcare, you’re simply stupid. Not ignorant, stupid. Unable or unwilling to learn.

    dojan,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    My problem with paying more taxes so everyone gets healthcare is that I put in the work, so that I get to see premium doctors.

    The U.S. spends the most on healthcare in the world, yet doesn’t have as good quality of healthcare as most countries with socialised healthcare. I get what you’re saying, and even ignoring the obvious social issues it raises, the system you’re defending just doesn’t work unless you’re obscenely rich.

    If you’re on Lemmy I don’t think you’re obscenely rich.

    GreyEyedGhost,

    Everyone else is (rightly) shooting on you for hating poor people. And there is some validity to what you’re saying about some portion of the poor adults you’re talking about. So the question you should be looking at is, “How do I get there to be less poor people?” Sure you could suggest a modest proposal, or you could promote ideas to minimize those poor children growing up to be poor adults. So what things make poor kids grow up to be poor adults? Well, the three biggest you’re going to see are lack of education, poor health and nutrition, and poor housing security. If you look at the numbers for anywhere else in the world, you’ll see that unless you’re fabulously wealthy you will generally see better health outcomes from universal healthcare, and it will probably cost you less, too. Properly funding public education is another key factor in making sure those poor kids have every chance to not be poor adults. Whiles you’re at it, keep funding those school lunch programs. Don’t worry, for every dollar spent on those, the economy sees multiple dollars of improvement. Housing can get a bit expensive, and even if you just did those other two, you would be doing a lot to reduce the number of poor kids who grow up to be poor adults. Now, if you were so outrageous as to propose police reforms to the point where the kids are less afraid of the cops than they are of the local gangs, that might be a benefit, too. Granted, none of this is quick or easy.

    When it comes down to it, poor people are always going to cost something to deal with. You can worry about health, education, housing and social assistance, or you can worry about policing, jail, and supports and corrections for children. Neither option is free.

    dojan,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    I don’t think the system would change that much, save for insurance companies not having a say in the healthcare a patient receives. It’s ridiculous that insurance companies come before the health of the patient.

    Here in Sweden, if you have the sniffles, you don’t see a doctor. There’s nothing a doctor can do for you. If you get really ill, you go to the ER. Assuming you’re not actively dying, someone who gets stabbed will absolutely go before you. The ER doesn’t operate on a first-come-first-serve basis. If you come to the ER with the sniffles you’ll get to wait for a long-ass time, and at most they’ll send you home with some antipyretics and a suggestion to book a time at a clinic if your problems persist.

    There are obviously issues. Gods do we have issues. In general though, the quality of care here in Sweden is ranked higher than that of the U.S.

    SARGEx117,

    Honestly I don’t see how it could be LOWER. I have a very dim view of the US Healthcare system, particularly where insurance companies are concerned.

    Why do the surgery that only has a 93% chance of success that will give the person use of their legs, that costs $250,000 when a $300 wheelchair will get them from A to B.

    Given that I have had to wait MONTHS for an appointment before, and my primary care Dr I have to schedule 2 months in advance, when people complain that they’ll have to wait longer than a week to see a doctor I wonder who they fucked over to get Healthcare that quickly.

    dojan,
    @dojan@lemmy.world avatar

    Wait times differ greatly depending on where you are and what kind of care you’re seeking. I moved a couple of weeks ago, and decided to try and deal with my hot-flashes issue. Last Tuesday I opened an issue with my clinic, and I got an appointment for Thursday that week. In my old town I had a previously recurrent health issue that had me waiting for four months to see someone.

    Sadly politics plays a part too. In the U.K. for example, if you’re a trans person and you’re seeking medical care your case will bounce around endlessly, and you might not ever see the care you need. Same procedures for cis-people can be organised really fast though. Philosophy tube made a really good video on the issue.

    It’s also not uncommon for clinics to be understaffed, and the workers to be overworked. This obviously can also lead to issues. I’ve a friend whose cousin died because they didn’t recognise his type of cancer quick enough, despite him seeking help for it frequently. They honestly didn’t really look for it until they faked him passing out, prompting them to take him seriously.

    STRIKINGdebate2,
    @STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world avatar

    And if the US educational system continues the way its going then you all are going to get more people who turn their noses up at unions because they lack the intellectual capacity to release that the short term loss in revenue will lead to long term benefits.

    SARGEx117,

    I’ve had to explain how tax brackets work to my parents multiple times. And my mother was a math substitute teacher for over a decade before quitting because educational work isn’t worth the bullshit for little pay.

    I will always vote for increased education budgets.

    subignition,
    @subignition@kbin.social avatar

    Pretty sure it's been in that territory for a dozen years or two already. 😞

    Nioxic,

    I will gladly pay a union.

    Always worth it. Workers unite! ✊️

    BeefPiano,

    Can you provide a link to the cards so we can print them too?

    SARGEx117,

    When I get home, I’ll work on making a normal printable version!

    I have a few hobby machines that do special things, so I have it scattered into a few files to make it go from one machine to the next.

    AtariDump,

    Hoping that you find them.

    intensely_human,

    Did your union negotiate you a 15% raise?

    SARGEx117,

    Did my union I joined when I got the job get me 15% more than the others already working there?

    No.

    Did I immediately get a little over 15% compared to similar job listing’s in the area, AND more than 18% more than my previous job?

    Yes.

    cybermass,

    I found the best comment on lemmy

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