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itadakimasu, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
@itadakimasu@lemmy.world avatar

JFC there’s only 60k of us? And that’s a good thing? 😳

Lucia,
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When there’s too much people on the social media site, it becomes noisy and unfriendly. I can’t remember any subreddit with more than 20k users being any good.

Quality > quantity

hitmyspot,

Yes, but larger variety of active communities is better overall.

Lucia,
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True, but it will be better overall with a small growth, not what we saw during reddit exodus. And this drop is just a logical end of this rapid migration, and now we’ll see a slow but stable growth in Lemmy usage.

EssentialCoffee,

Depends. My main community on Reddit was effectively a link aggregate for a niche hobby that’s well over a million subscribers at this point. And when the reddit blackout happened, it became extremely clear that there isn’t another community out there that aggregates just as much content as they have there.

Lemmy just doesn’t have the tools in terms of tagging and wiki to be able to replace what they’ve got yet.

Lucia,
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Tags would be so good for Lemmy actually. Instead of creating new extremely specialized community we could use tags to help those who want this kind of content find it in a less focused community, preventing segregation of small Lemmy user base. And when certain tag gets enough traction we would create a community for it.

Instead we have sorting mechanisms that actively punish small communities and big communities mostly driven by news (e.g. c/technology).

NuPNuA,

Some subs on Reddit were practically unusable due to the amount of users and the noise they created. Especially if you weren’t in an American timezone so missed the early chatter before everyone piled on. I’ve come to appreciate less users being here.

Peppycito,

There’s a happy medium between sitting in an empty bar and eternal summer.

cubedsteaks,

Exactly. More people need to understand that this isn’t a black and white issue. We need that happy medium.

CoderKat,

Yeah, especially since you could have smaller, niche subs on Reddit, but those largely don’t work here. The niche subs were some of my favourite.

There’s also some niche subs that need the site to be popular. Eg, AITA or BestOfLegalAdvice (which required LegalAdvice to be mainstream).

ToucheGoodSir,

If we had been 60,000 strong at Helmsdeep, Rohan would have fallen

wahming,

But how many MAU did Rohan have?

Kushan,
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Yeah, it’s not a good thing and I’m getting sick of people on here trying to gaslight themselves into thinking it is. The same people saying that this is good are also mocking X and threads for losing users. Nobody’s claiming that’s good for those platforms.

We want growth, more users and more instances is better for Lemmy overall.i don’t buy this arguments of “people are just not using their alts”, I mean fuck off, that statement was pulled from OP’s arse with nothing to back it up.

Blaze, (edited )
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Do you need to be so agressive?

Maalus,

I mean, if you are saying the sky isn’t blue, why not? A drop in users is a bad thing. Lemmy needs people and it needs content. This smells of the “good for bitcoin” meme all over again.

Blaze,
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I edited because it seems it was too controversial, but anyway.

I commented saying that this should probably be a signal for people to start focusing on a few core communities instead of spreading like crazy.

It seemed that people were thinking that users would magically come to every community and make them active, but we are seeing the opposite. Which for me was a good thing because it would make people realize platform growth doesn’t happen magically.

Rambi,

Yeah I think people have what happened to Digg in their minds and think there’ll just be one single huge Exodus and Lemmy will explode over night, but that’s unlikely. We just have to keep trucking and overtime reddit inc will make more and more stupid decisions and each time Lemmy and the dedicated will grow a but larger. Not to mention Twitter is imploding even faster, maybe we’ll gain users from there.

Having a small community in the meantime isn’t so bad anyway, there’s less low effort comments and you can recognise people sometimes which is cool. There’s positives and negatives to both small and large communities.

cubedsteaks,

I commented saying that this should probably be a signal for people to start focusing on a few core communities instead of spreading like crazy.

I mean this place only really seems to have activity in meme pages, porn, and news.

Feels more like a well behaved 4chan instead of a well behaved reddit.

Blaze,
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There is !trendingcommunities to discover new ones.

But I mostly agree, you have to look up for content outside of those 3.

I tried to revive !personalfinance , !casualconversation and !moviesandtv, but that’s harder than planned

cubedsteaks,

yeah I’ve been using the lemmy explorer and most places are just one person posting into the void with no additional interaction.

Blaze,
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Indeed…

patatahooligan,
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The same people saying that this is good are also mocking X and threads for losing users.

These are not comparable. X and threads are businesses which maximize their profits by making their platform as big as possible. That is not true for Lemmy and even if it were, the average user does not care about the platform’s profits. So you can in fact make fun of the failures of big companies while being happy being part of a much smaller platform.

Rambi,

Also Lemmy is becoming a larger platform and Twitter- or “X”- is becoming a smaller platform. Sure total users might be down since right after the Exodus but that is obviously normal, a new baseline will be established that’s still significantly above the pre Exodus baseline. Then reddit inc will do something else stupid and people on the site will be talking about Lemmy again.

I think there’s positives and negatives to having a small platform, and there’s positives and negatives to having a larger platform. With a smaller platform, the quality of the comments in general is much higher with less low effort jokes which usually you’ve already read 500 times. With larger platforms, the smaller communities are much more active because there’s a larger pool to draw those people with niche interests from.

Die4Ever,
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and people on the site will be talking about Lemmy again

honestly I wonder if it would be more effective to be talking about lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, compuverse.uk, beehaw.org… pretending they’re just their own things and not talking about Lemmy or Federation or anything like that

might be good to get some users to just signup to the given instance, and slowly realize they’re actually communicating with people from many servers and now they’re in the rabbit hole lol

Rambi,

Maybe, people do talk fondly about the days of forums that were dedicated to specific subjects with small communities where people all know each other and an instance can be much like that. Although sometimes what people actually want is different to what they really want, you know? Although I also do remember forums mostly too.

I think it’s still good to talk about Lemmy and the fediverse is still good, I joined Lemmy earlier this month and the way ActivityPub works was quite appealing to me and really made me want to switch. It was slightly unintuitive at first but someone described it as being like the email protocol where you can view emails from anyone even if they’re on say gmail and you’re on Yahoo mail/proton mail/ self hosted email/etc and that made it make complete sense.

Kushan,
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The average user cares about the health and quality of the platform though and a declining user-base is not good for either of those.

Sure, we don’t want to be flooded with millions of users either but that’s because we have a distinct lack of mod tools and features to deal with it. The solution is better tools and better ways of handling those users, not to keep the platform isolated and haemorrhaging users.

Lucia,
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This drop in users is natural though - not every person that got here with a hype train was expected to stay here, just like users who joined Lemmy just to wait until protests are over. Some users may switched from lemmy to kbin and are still with us, just using another software.

Before the exodux Lemmy was really empty. That’s why people are so optimistic about the future of the threadiverse.

Kushan,
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A slower growth trend would be “natural” as you describe it, but a drop in users should only be concerning at this stage, especially as the platform is still so young. Even a small amount of growth is still growth but a decline in users means more people are leaving the platform than joining it.

Again, you’re pulling explanations out of thin air - go ahead and prove that those users are switching to kbin over lemmy, use some data to back up your claim.

Or accept that we have a problem with adoption and as a community we need to fix it.

Lucia,
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User growth hasn’t stopped, check this.

Again, you’re pulling explanations out of thin air - go ahead and prove that those users are switching to kbin over lemmy, use some data to back up your claim.

I said “Some users may switched” - I claimed nothing.

Or accept that we have a problem with adoption and as a community we need to fix it.

Lemmy is improving, mobile apps are in rapid development, and seems good (never used one so am judging from what I’ve heard), communities are being created everyday. No one in this thread said that Lemmy is in perfect state and we have nothing to improve. If you have some ideas on how can we make Lemmy better, you’re free to share them.

Kushan,
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User growth hasn’t stopped, check this.

Are you referring to the graphs here? The ones that show:

  • Monthly Active users in decline
  • Daily active users in decline

Those graphs?

Sure, 6-monthly users is increasing (and plateauing) and people sure are posting more comments, but those graphs do not paint a good picture and do not suggest positive user growth.

No one in this thread said that Lemmy is in perfect state and we have nothing to improve.

That’s exactly what some people in this thread are claiming. Every time someone says “Good, less users is a good thing”, they’re saying nothing needs to change because that’s what they want. I am saying that is not the case and I stand by that.

Lemmy is improving, but it clearly needs to go a lot further to start attracting users again.

Lucia,
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Sure, 6-monthly users is increasing (and plateauing) and people sure are posting more comments, but those graphs do not paint a good picture and do not suggest positive user growth.

Yep, this graph basically shows that growth hasn’t stopped, it was just overtaken by the drop in Lemmy users. I will return to it a bit later.

Every time someone says “Good, less users is a good thing”, they’re saying nothing needs to change because that’s what they want

Only if it’s taken outside of context. Okay, I admit I shouldn’t claim “No one said that”, but in many cases people aren’t celebrating the decrease of Lemmy users. For example, OP clearly stated:

It is probably due to a number of people stopping using their alts after some instance hopping. Also a few people who came to see how it was, and weren’t attracted enough to become regular visitors.

From my perspective, this decline is a consequance of a rapid growth during last months: people were promised with a new reddit, but they got lemmy, with its quirks and issues. Of course, some people weren’t satisfied with it - and when protests on reddit came to an end, they could finally abandon lemmy for the platform they were actually interested in.

That’s why I pointed out on the fact user growth never stopped - Lemmy’s still attracting new users, just people who weren’t interested in lemmy in the first place decided to leave.

Kushan,
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growth hasn’t stopped, it was just overtaken by the drop in Lemmy users

Can you explain to me how this isn’t a complete contradiction? How has growth not stopped while users have? That doesn’t make any sense to me. Are we saying there’s user growth or not?

That’s why I pointed out on the fact user growth never stopped - Lemmy’s still attracting new users, just people who weren’t interested in lemmy in the first place decided to leave.

I’m trying to understand your viewpoint here, but I’m just not getting it. Overall users are in decline, that’s not good. Sure, I have no doubt that we’re still attracting new users but we’re still losing users as well - more than we’re attracting. We’re at a net loss of users and that’s not good.

Lucia,
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You said Lemmy can’t attract new users at this point, I provided the evidence new people are this getting into the platform, it’s just that statistics is overrided by people leaving us since reddit became usable yet again. It’s one-time event though, just like reddit exodus was, so user growth will be positive again soon.

Kushan,
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You said Lemmy can’t attract new users at this point

Can you please point out / quote where I said this?

Lucia,
@Lucia@eviltoast.org avatar

here:

but it clearly needs to go a lot further to start attracting users again.

from this comment

Kushan,
@Kushan@lemmy.world avatar

From the same comment:

positive user growth

Kushan,
@Kushan@lemmy.world avatar

Side note: OP did originally have the phrase “And that’s good for lemmy” (or something very similar to that) in the title of this post, but they’ve since edited it. I don’t know of a way of recovering what the original title said to be certain but it’s worth knowing this, as that’s a lot of the context behind this thread around why people (like myself) are decrying those that are saying it’s a good thing.

cubedsteaks,

You’re not the only one who saw that. I saw it too. In fact, that’s why I clicked the link.

Blaze,
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I did edit it, because I was getting too much negativity on the “good thing” part of the title.

I did not even intended as bait, I meant it as “it’s a good thing that the community will stop thinking that everything is fine and actually reflect about how to fix it”. That was my first comment with the post, but it got buried into the rest of the reactions.

Later threads like discuss.tchncs.de/post/2243096 and discuss.tchncs.de/post/2241408 seem to show that some people are indeed becoming aware of the issues.

cubedsteaks,

oh in my feed I’m seeing this discussed a ton now. I didn’t think you were baiting.

Blaze,
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That’s nice, have a good one!

Lucia,
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Yeah, I saw it too. Seems like OP wanted to bait to read the post text and not just scroll away with dreadful thoughts.

Blaze,
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I did edit it, because I was getting too much negativity on the “good thing” part of the title.

I did not even intended as bait, I meant it as “it’s a good thing that the community will stop thinking that everything is fine and actually reflect about how to fix it”. That was my first comment with the post, but it got buried into the rest of the reactions.

Later threads like discuss.tchncs.de/post/2243096 and discuss.tchncs.de/post/2241408 seem to show that some people are indeed becoming aware of the issues.

Lucia,
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It seems the discussion moved to a doomy direction though. People kinda just read the title and then say that lemmy is basically dead and we should move back, etc.

Blaze,
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Well, that’s what I wanted to avoid by having a positive spin, but I got so much negative feedback that I changed it.

That’s life, I guess

Blaze,
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I did edit it, because I was getting too much negativity on the “good thing” part of the title.

I did not even intended as bait, I meant it as “it’s a good thing that the community will stop thinking that everything is fine and actually reflect about how to fix it”. That was my first comment with the post, but it got buried into the rest of the reactions.

Later threads like discuss.tchncs.de/post/2243096 and discuss.tchncs.de/post/2241408 seem to show that some people are indeed becoming aware of the issues.

Kushan,
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Good, I’m glad you’re not actually trying to spin the whole thing

Blaze,
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Glad to see you’re glad!

Have a good one

prole,

A decline seems natural. Of course there are many people who came to lemmy to check it out, and not all of them stuck with it. That is to be expected, no?

cubedsteaks,

Okay but how do we fix it? Are we allowed to solicit on reddit just to get people here? Are Lemmy users even getting the word out about Lemmy?

This isn’t exactly the easiest platform to use. The term “instances” is probably intimidating to the average reddit user who has to do nothing more than type “reddit.com” to get to where they need to be.

spaduf,

I think the honest answer is to become active and solicit on Mastodon. Those users are not only far more open to the pitch of “Mastodon but with threaded discussions” but are far more legitimately engaged and active than Reddit users.

EDIT: Not to mention they can literally participate from their existing accounts. Super easy to get your foot in the door.

Kushan,
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Okay but how do we fix it?

I think you answer your own question -

This isn’t exactly the easiest platform to use.

I quite like lemmy, but the barrier to entry is far too high to enjoy the platform. Assume your user doesn’t give a flying monkies about federation and things like that, they just want the memes and content - if we can crack that, we might be onto something.

cubedsteaks,

I was just hoping for something more than a meme/news site.

You can get that anywhere. So Lemmy isn’t exactly standing out.

strypey,
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@itadakimasu
> there’s only 60k of us? And that’s a good thing?

A centralised platform is a numbers game. The money for upgrading servers for growth has to come from one company, and if the platform shrinks it gets harder to get a return on that spending.

It just doesn't matter as much in a federated network. The cost of growth is spread across many servers. Some of which will end up shutting down, for a range of reasons. But others have room for growth.

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@Blaze @Kushan @patatahooligan

strypey,
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@itadakimasu
Plus, the Lemmy servers are part of a much larger network; the fediverse. Not just other forum apps like KBin either. Right now I'm replying to this from Mastodon.

I have an alt on a .nz Lemmy server, but haven't got into the habit of using it yet. So at least some of the perceived shrinkage is due to that, rather than any failure of the network. Also due to spam and troll accounts being purged.

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@Blaze @Kushan @patatahooligan

Rambi,

Sorry this is unrelated, but how come your username says @null? Just curious

Atemu,
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For me it says @strypey, not @null. Clicking on your comment’s Fediverse button to take me to your instance still shows the same.

Rambi,

Huh that’s odd. It must be an issue with Sync related to them posting from a Mastodon instance.

Tudou,

It does explain why all the niche communities I visit have gone from quiet to abandoned.

spaduf,
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That and the sorting at this time really doesn’t allow for niche communities to grow.

cybermass,

This is one of the biggest issues with Lemmy right now.

I’m gonna keep holding out cause I hope that Lemmy will have improvements like sorting algorithms and mod tools and such, users have stabilized.

If the users keep going down I might have to go back to Reddit, a man can only laugh at the same Linux meme so many times.

cubedsteaks,

Same and I hate that I would have to go back to reddit. I like that I can have decent conversations here but I also miss being able to talk about niche shows I like and quote things with people. The niche interests that Reddit offers isn’t really on Lemmy.

Like I’m also no longer keeping up with my favorite radio show cause they have a sub Reddit and the people who listen to that show, aren’t the kind of people who can just switch over to Lemmy. They don’t know the first thing about changing platforms.

I already talked to someone else on here on providing my own content and being the change I want to see. But I’ve found so many communities where its just one person posting into the void and there’s lots of posts from like a month ago and zero comments on every single one. Some communities seem to be just people posting news links to other sites. Which makes Lemmy seem like a directory- not a community.

DLSchichtl, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)

https://media.tenor.com/VUZb3A8zX6EAAAAC/harrison-ford-who-gives-a-shit.gif

Like really. Who cares about numbers going up and down. You have a nice little community here. Cherish it. Because more people rarely makes things better.

schema,

Exactly. It’s enough active users to have a stream of good content compared to what it was a few month ago. I’m enjoying my time here right now.

Prethoryn,
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These kinds of comments are why my usage has gone down. There is an inclusive we are different vibe and this mentality that people just shouldn’t have an opinion if it doesn’t fit the Lemmy opinion. It’s just weird.

DLSchichtl,

Entirely self imposed. I see people disagreeing all day on here without issue, so I often wonder what tame opinion folks like you have that gets rejected whole-heartedly here. However, I tend to eventually find something nasty at the end of that particular hedge maze. Perhaps you need to take that overwhelming disapproval of your ideals, and reflect on whether or not the toxic path you have chosen is the correct one.

eee,

When you’re talking about an Internet forum, yes, more people makes things better.

The magic of reddit is being able to find a community for the most obscure niche interest ever. You can’t do that with just a few thousand tech-savvy nerds like us here.

DLSchichtl,

It sure made reddit better. You guys can’t go 5 min without bitching about “reddit culture” stinkin’ up the place. Guess what, more people ruined reddit. More people does not make a community better. Better people make a community better. As for the niche stuff, it’ll find a home. It may not be here, but it will find its place. Not everything on the internet needs to end up on a handful of sites.

eee,

More people does not make a community better. Better people make a community better.

Every community is going to attract good and bad people. With more people there’s going to be more good people AND more bad people.

olafurp, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)

These numbers are not descriptive. Check out the daily stats.

  • Active users per day has already stabilised.
  • Active users half year is still climbing so we have people coming in.
  • Shitposts per day are growing exponentially.
  • People are still leaving from the Reddit influx. Lemmy just wasn’t for them.

Source: lemmy.fediverse.observer/dailystats&days=120Daily stats lemmy

Blaze,
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Active users half year is still climbing so we have people coming in.

If people were coming in, shouldn’t the monthly active users increase as well?

If the MAU is decreasing, it means that we are losing more people than people joining. On your graph, the MAU trend is clearly decreasing.

Maybe I’m missing something?

olafurp,

People are going out faster than they’re coming in.

shagie,

New accounts are being created.

How many of those new accounts are people shuffling between different identities and interests? This account is for the music stuff I follow, this is my meme account, this is my serious stuff account…

How much of that is also the people leaving lemmy.world when they were having stability problems?

spaduf, (edited ) to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
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Regardless of where the loss in users is coming from the major takeaway here is that we are firmly in a reinvestment phase. This will likely last until Reddit does something stupid related to the IPO but in the absence of that we will probably not see a significant uptick in growth again without major improvements to the threadiverse as a whole. That means that those of us who are personally invested in the growth of the threadiverse should be taking this time to develop the tools and features necessary to weather the next wave more gracefully than the last.

One of the biggest issue I see here is still community growth. Growing certain communities is significantly harder than others and if you don’t have a lot of crossposting potential it can be damn near impossible. As it stands, I do not see a way to fix this situation without a hot and active ranking system that takes into account the number of users active in the particular community. As part of a change like this I think we would be best served by consolidating a significant portion of the small dead communities. I think we should also strongly prefer specialized instances like lemmy.film or literature.cafe to truly take advantage of the special attention these sorts of instances are capable of providing particular topics. As it stands only a handful of them have enough broader threadiverse activity to be truly useful.

Another thing I would like to suggest is a change in recruitment strategy. At this point it seems like we are unlikely to pull a significant amount of users from Reddit without more reddit-policy-driven migration, but there are tons of highly educated and engaged users over on Mastodon that would make serious positive contributions to the tone and quality of the discourse over here. For some reason there seems to be minimal overlap between the two communities and that blows my mind. Not only that but I actively see folks disparaging Mastodon in fediverse related communities on a regular basis (and even sometimes in the Mastodon communities themselves). As far as I can tell, these are largely lingering sentiments from a Reddit/Twitter dichotomy. Remember, as things develop the lines between threaded social media and microblogging are likely to blur. A significant number of Mastodon apps already provide a threaded view and one of kbins explicit goals is very much to bridge the gap. With this in mind, Mastodon (and federated microblogging more generally) seems like the best source for new potential users.

Blaze,
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I think we should also strongly prefer specialized instances like lemmy.film or literature.cafe to truly take advantage of the special attention these sorts of instances are capable of providing particular topics.

Definitely

MBM,

The small comms I’m subscribed to don’t show up in any sorting, I have to actually visit them to see there was a new post. I heard the devs are doing something to improve it, so hopefully that’ll make small comms more viable

ShittyKopper,

Another thing I would like to suggest is a change in recruitment strategy. At this point it seems like we are unlikely to pull a significant amount of users from Reddit without more reddit-policy-driven migration, but there are tons of highly educated and engaged users over on Mastodon that would make serious positive contributions to the tone and quality of the discourse over here. For some reason there seems to be minimal overlap between the two communities and that blows my mind. Not only that but I actively see folks disparaging Mastodon in fediverse related communities on a regular basis (and even sometimes in the Mastodon communities themselves). As far as I can tell, these are largely lingering sentiments from a Reddit/Twitter dichotomy. Remember, as things develop the lines between threaded social media and microblogging are likely to blur. A significant number of Mastodon apps already provide a threaded view and one of kbins explicit goals is very much to bridge the gap. With this in mind, Mastodon (and federated microblogging more generally) seems like the best source for new potential users.

A thing to look out for is that the microblog fedi (outside the big handful of instances that fill .world’s role there) is strongly in favor of stricter instance-level moderation compared to the more “individualistic” view a lot of the Reddit migratees tend to have. If we want people from the microblog fedi to participate we (collectively) need to up our moderation game. (And in my personal opinion instances like .world have grown too large to accomodate any reasonable expectation of moderation, except for select individual communities set up there)

spaduf,

This is a good point. Maybe indicates that recruiting to instances like beehaw.org would be more effective. Once they’re here though I think that is exactly the sort of community that would be likely to take on moderator positions.

Die4Ever, (edited )
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stricter instance-level moderation compared to the more “individualistic” view

I definitely think letting users block posts and/or comments from specific instances is way better than full defederation (maybe the instance admin could set a default block list for new users)

but now I’m thinking maybe communities should be able to block instances too

found a feature request for it github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/3022

ALostInquirer,

If we want people from the microblog fedi to participate we (collectively) need to up our moderation game. (And in my personal opinion instances like .world have grown too large to accomodate any reasonable expectation of moderation, except for select individual communities set up there)

Improved moderation tools would help, however are you familiar with the filtering/muting tools available on Mastodon/Firefish/Misskey? These, coupled with an ability by individual users to block entire instances, help relieve some of the need for more moderators to help by enabling individuals to essentially self-moderate/curate their experiences as desired.

I think both improved moderation and individual filtering/muting tools would help greatly both to encourage microblog folks to join in, and make the experience better for those already here.

lagomorphlecture,

The standard web UI also needs major improvements. Nobody logs in through an app for their first time and first impressions are critical. It needs to be easier to navigate and use without downloading an app so people will stick around long enough to get involved and have a good time.

spaduf, (edited )

I actually think the web ui is fine but we all have our own blindspots. How do you feel about Alexandrite and Photon? I had good initial impressions of Alexandrite but some minor issues with Photon. Instances could just make those defaults.

Xylight,
@Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev avatar

What issues did you notice in Photon?

spaduf,

Oh man this is what I get for running my mouth. I’m not sure if my issues are reproducible or if I can even remember well enough to go about trying to reproduce them. I know that’s not very useful and I apologize. I will say that I think a sans serif font option would be nice to have.

Xylight,
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spaduf,

That’s probably just broken on my system then because it is definitely not using my system font. I’m on a chromebook if that’s useful at all.

Xylight,
@Xylight@lemmy.xylight.dev avatar

Is it fixed on phtn.app? I pushed an update that hopefully fixes this. It uses system-ui so hopefully it isn’t broken

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Thank you so much for your work

spaduf,

Yep fixed now!

Lyricism6055,

Yeah I am a software dev and was even confused for a bit. Reddit has /r/all and things that make it easier to find subreddits, I still struggle with lemmy sometimes. Sync made it a bit easier, but I wish I could seamlessly browse all instances and their comments under 1 profile

bluesydney, to fediverse in Spread Out: How To Speed Up Lemmy

An export/import for “subscribed” communities would encourage a lot of people to do this.

can,

Theres a userscript.

timbuck2themoon,

There needs to be a “MigrationPub” spec to export your info to be ready to import into another user login.

5redie8, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)

Bizarrely it feels way more active, the people leaving were never going to contribute anyway and that’s fine. It seems to be stabilizing at a good amount of content per day.

Baizey,

From the statistics that seems to make sense, only total/active users is seeing a drop everything else was still rising at the “normal” rate

spaduf,
@spaduf@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

Some of this may also have to do with the user creation exploit that popped up a while back.

onlinepersona, to fediverse in [Lemmy active users] 28th of September was the only day with more monthly active Lemmy users than the previous one, probably thanks to the release of Boost for Lemmy

Damn, 40k monthly active users on lemmy? That’s much less than I expected. And the number’s dropping.

Well, at least for me, there’s no going back to reddit.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

The activity seems to reflect those numbers.

Happy you’re enjoying it!

BallsInTheShredder,

Fuck Reddit, but I also feel like Boost will give us a boost. It’s got some features I’ve yet to find on other apps and hopefully will make Lemmy a little easier for people like me who made the switch

It’s also pretty much exactly like the app for reddit was which had a big following so hopefully will make it easier for former boost on Reddit users to switch to lemmy

Phegan,

Monthly active users are an important metric for companies trying to sell advertising. It’s less important for a community based application where profits are irrelevant. What is more important is how valuable the content is to you, and if it’s not, you can put in an effort to provide content you, and others, find valuable.

onlinepersona,

Although less important in other places, knowing that there probably about 400 people sharing most of the content (1% of 40k), is still important.

Jackcooper,

I think a negative trend is really important… if we are shrinking we are shrinking. Content will decline if the trend isn’t reversed.

flathead, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
@flathead@quex.cc avatar

Lemmy’s new user retention rate is considerably better than Threads.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Well, in that case the bar is on the ground

Blaze, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

That’s a personal opinion, but I would also be happy to see some groups spread on different communities to decide together on one community and make it grow together.

Browsing /all and seeing still another book or gaming community first post always makes me question if that post would not be better used in an established community.

And I know this will happen naturally overtime, I guess sometimes I would just like things to happen a bit faster and on a organized way.

dingus,
@dingus@lemmy.ml avatar

I personally don’t mind having multiple communities on different servers because some of these servers go down… a lot.

Makes sense to have “backups” sort of littered throughout the Fediverse, imho. I like seeing what different groups have to say about the subjects, too. Like, a thread will be wildly different on lemmy.world and beehaw.org, because I’m fairly sure beehaw is still defederated with lemmy.world, meaning I’ll see very different groups of people on each instance’s community.

Kichae,

It would be nice if servers could be tuned to prioritize locally hosted communities over remote ones. There's a real opportunity for each community on the same topic to have distinct flavours and cultures, but so long as they all appear to be the same damn thing and appear with the same frequency in the content stream, it's never going to happen. It's not like people really look at the remote server domain.

It's really nice that the Local feed exists, but when people just bulk subscribe to 8 different communities with the same name, stick to their subscription list, and then treat them all as the same place, that just kills a lot of potential for heterogeneity.

ShittyKopper,

It’s really nice that the Local feed exists, but when people just bulk subscribe to 8 different communities with the same name, stick to their subscription list, and then treat them all as the same place, that just kills a lot of potential for heterogeneity.

That’s what people are used to from Reddit. They’re used to having one giant subreddit about one topic. That’s why everyone’s centralized themselves on lemmy.world or kbin.social. That’s why one of the most requested features is the ability to make “multireddits” (or otherwise combining all different communities into one)

This is a culture problem to solve, technical solutions can only do so much to help.

jamesrylandmiller,
@jamesrylandmiller@mastodon.social avatar

@ShittyKopper why is a multi community feature an issue? I want to see what more than one fed server says on a topic and maybe have some cross list merging to increase efficiency.

ShittyKopper,

If you are explicitly aware that different instances specialize in different concerns I can absolutely see the use for a feature like that, but most people want a feature of that sort just so they can “paper over” federation and pretend to have one giant community with one giant moderation policy / culture / priorities.

And that is before getting to the absolutely horrible idea of automatically generating multi-communities by merging communities with the exact same name regardless of their instance.

Blackmist, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)

“This is good for Bitcoin” vibes there.

14specks,
@14specks@lemmy.ml avatar

Key difference is that Bitcoin people want/need their numbers to go up,up,up as a measure of success.

Here, we are hoping to cultivate a healthy community (at either/both the instance and fediverse level). From my experience on various subreddits, focusing on growth is not a good way to do this.

Communities are defined more by who is not allowed in than by who is in the community. Lemmy phase 2 kicked off back in June, and it still needs some time to find its footing at a sustainable rate of growth.

Cube6392,
@Cube6392@beehaw.org avatar

I said it somewhere yesterday, but community building is more about moderation and organic growth than it is getting everyone on board all at once. The threadiverse is fantastic but its also running on a pair of software with substantial bugs and basic features missing

SwingingKoala,

Key difference is that Bitcoin people want/need their numbers to go up,up,up as a measure of success.

Nah, you’re making the mistake of only paying attention to bitcoin short term when the price goes up, so you only perceive people who get in short term while the number goes up.

14specks,
@14specks@lemmy.ml avatar

If I’m making a mistake, I don’t think that would be it. I’ve been observing Bitcoin and its community since 2011.

jacktherippah, to fediverse in [Lemmy active users] 28th of September was the only day with more monthly active Lemmy users than the previous one, probably thanks to the release of Boost for Lemmy

We need more normal users on lemmy tbh. So far, my impression of lemmy is that it’s full of tech enthusiast. I’m one too, so I largely enjoyed it, but eventually it gets annoying and tiring listening to tech bros and FOSS diehards whining about something not being open source or something. I just want more normal content from normal people. I hope boost and sync gets more former Reddit users to sign up.

Afghaniscran,

Porn and Linux everywhere.

shasta,

I wish there was porn everywhere

shagie,

To be frank about it, the clips of porn needs instances to follow the steps needed for Section 230 to protect them (see EFF : User Generated Content and the Fediverse: A Legal Primer) otherwise it becomes a huge liability for every site admin who federates with such instances. I am not aware of any instances that have taken the step of registering a DMCA agent with the US Copyright Office.

Additionally, given the nature of the people commenting and the possibility of “oh, I’m 17, is that a problem” without the corresponding tooling for age verification and approved users, the moderation tools need to really get a focus for how to create them, implement them, and federate moderation events out reliably.

Furthermore, a significant amount of porn on Reddit is from amateurs who are trying to monetize or advertise. So far, the Lemmy user base has taken a dim view monetization (other than donations) or advertising. This makes it so that it’s just not worth it for an amateur to need to maintain another social media presence that has little return.

jeremyparker,

I feel like you’re implying that there are categories of content that don’t belong to one of those two groups and tbh I can’t think of any

SuperSleuth,

Just have to be patient while reddit continues to ruin themselves. They just got rid of ad personalization opt-out, what’s next?

SparkKnight, to fediverse in [Lemmy active users] 28th of September was the only day with more monthly active Lemmy users than the previous one, probably thanks to the release of Boost for Lemmy

I joined reddit using boost. So it’s natural to join lemmy using boost. Kinda feels like home ig.

clearleaf, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)

Tankies and American democrats are scaring away the hoes. Source: I’m a hoe that has barely been coming here lately. There’s not enough people here for niche communities to thrive, and the front page has been getting worse and worse. Today I saw this post on the front page, pretty close to the top.

lemmy.ca/post/3725038

I’d like to be clear that I don’t care who americans voted for 7 years ago, but that’s not why I don’t think I should be seeing this. It’s just, sheesh man. THIS is what the community wants and thinks is important in 2023? I’m trying to find a niche amongst THIS?

It’s very similar to my problem with Gemini and every other “alt tech” platform I’ve tried to join. Worst case scenario it becomes a sewer for everyone who got banned from other sites for political extremism. Best case scenario, you end up with nothing but the demographic of upper class americans who do nothing but sit on their computers all day, which is not my scene either.

I’m starting to wonder if I should just leave the internet altogether.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

Sorry you had a bad experience.

I am myself trying to get out of the tech/politics/memes bubble with communities like !chat , !casualconversation , !moviesandtv , !personalfinance , etc.

I’m afraid at some point a lot of people like you will just leave and we’ll be left with Linux memes (and I use that OS)

clearleaf,

Thanks for the community recommendations, they seem like great points to explore from. I also love Linux and tech in general, otherwise I probably wouldn’t be here. But I have other interests too. That’s something I find to be decent about tildes surprisingly, considering you need to be a massive tech nerd just to access one.

Blaze,
@Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de avatar

You are welcome!

There is also !trendingcommunities that has a daily report of rising communities

AmosBurton_ThatGuy,

Yeah the amount of American bullshit that infests all social media is fucking cancerous.

Katrisia,

It’s so silly. People around the world explain their culture and don’t assume everyone knows about it, give their location appropriately, and do not believe they are the center of the world. It’s like:

Random question posted: Why is eating octopus more and more popular?

Random user: In my region, we really don’t eat much octopus. I am from Guadalajara, Jalisco, Mexico. We eat red meat much more. But I guess octopus is growing in popularity worldwide due to [expanation].

Another random user: Where? Here in Portugal it has always been “popular”.

Average American user: Midwestern here. I don’t see octopus much and I don’t like it. Call me stereotypical, but I love my meat and T-Ravs. Anyway, I believe the popularity is due to Biden’s administration. [Details about Biden’s changes]. …So that all America has seen this rise, especially on the East Coast."

🤷🏻‍♀️ …Why?

ScreaminOctopus,

I’ve been getting around this by being really free with the community block button. But I’ve also had decent luck finding alts of the communities I used to use on reddit

rar,

It’s true, the front page, as it stands, is awful. I have to filter out so many trump/elon crap and (for nsfw accounts) so many sexual fetishes I didn’t even know it existed. “Active” and “Hot” are infested with (sorry guys) low effort memes, and I have to click for “top 6 hours” or “top 12 hours” for something that starts looking interesting. Yes, I know the big R and other social media have the same problem, but that’s not the point.

Now, this is where the content “sorting algorithm” becomes a thing to “boost engagement”… but sure we can do better?

Personally, I would like to see more active posts from small communities or instances over most populous ones. Self-posts, even better. What if there was a user preference for frontpage sorting?

Die4Ever, (edited )
@Die4Ever@programming.dev avatar

I’m surprised so many people browse All, I only look at Subscribed

gammasfor,

I’m currently doing it mainly because I haven’t worked out what I want to subscribe to yet.

rar,

I switch between subscribed and all sometimes. Finding new communities is nice.

DLSchichtl,

Too many tankies

Okay, I’m with ya

and American democrats

Lol, ya lost me. Too many righty whiteys thinking this is their new “free speech” home where they can be all bigoted and protected from dirty leftist ideals like feeding the poor, housing the homeless, healthcare for all. You know, horrible people.

And honestly we aren’t sad to see less of you.

clearleaf,

This is what I mean. It’s not healthy to be surrounded by so much hate all the time.

DLSchichtl,

Not hate. I don’t hate anyone but racists and nazis. This is more of a distaste. We’ve tried your concoction and found it off putting. No thanks, no more. Please leave.

Kushia,
@Kushia@lemmy.ml avatar

Regardless of platform, if you don’t want to see politics then block the political communities from your feed. The article itself is pretty factual and I don’t see why any real conservative would support the clown show that is the GOP right now.

danielton,
@danielton@lemmy.world avatar

This is a problem on a ton of different sites, not just Lemmy. And the ones that are not like this tend to be echo chambers for alt-right racist and anti-LGBT bullshit. It’s impossible to have a civilized discussion these days.

Poggervania, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
@Poggervania@kbin.social avatar

It’s probably more likely that we’re losing more of the “Fediverse is just Reddit 2.0” kind of people - which is great because that’s 10k or w/e less Redditors that’ll go back on the platform they actually want to use.

Fediverse doesn’t have an ocean of communities and content (yet), but that’s fine with me since I’m more active here and trying to offer more insightful comments outside of the Reddit staple “this” kind of comments.

Dirk, to fediverse in There is a drop in monthly active Lemmy users (from 65k to 57k)
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah. Since Reddit is back to normal, the majority of people who left it due to protest now returns.

Ingvarr,

Yeah, there’s even upcoming third-party apps to fill the void left by apps like Apollo (at least for a while).

What keeps me there and not here are some niche subs for music genres/subgenres and bands, and I don’t see any of them crossing over to the fediverse until Reddit completely and utterly dies. It even seems like some went over to Discord and I’m not really a fan of that, but it’s probably more lively there than here for my interests.

Redecco,

By normal do you mean the protests have ended, or they undid some of the unpopular changes?

Dirk,
@Dirk@lemmy.ml avatar

Why would they undo those changes. They did r/place, that should be enough. And yes, the protests have ended.

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