lemmy.dbzer0.com

AcidOctopus, to memes in its even more outdated

I only use it because there’s no way I could convince my friends and family to move to anything else.

There’s no point in switching to another app if I then literally couldn’t communicate with the people I need to through it.

Norgur,

same here. Heck, even Nextcloud Talk is more sophisticated than frickin' WhatsApp these days...

worfamerryman,

Same but replace WhatsApp with messenger and iMessage.

highhomes1994,

Messaging apps curse is exactly that… No matter how good they are, if nobody is using it… In WhatsApp I have +100 of my contacts, in Telegram, 20. In Signal, less than 10, so…

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

Signal kinda put themselves out of the messaging app battle when they dropped SMS support

I totally get why they did it, but I think a lot of people stopped using it for this reason, unfortunately

Tetsuo,

I don’t really want to start a debate on the Signal SMS dropout but …

They could have put a big red warning and a disclaimer you have to read once for the unsecured SMS. It would have been fine.

Yes, you would have to maintain that but I think it would definitely have been worth it considering how much reach they lost dropping this feature.

I stopped using Signal when they did, and that’s one less tech user advertising their secure app.

It’s a shame because I think this will slowly kill the project.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

I tend to agree

RaivoKulli,

I don’t think anyone uses or cares about SMS where I live

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

Lucky you. SMS is still the primary way people message each other where I live.

RaivoKulli,

That’s rough. I guess at least it’s universal

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

I don’t mind it so much. At least it’s not Facebook Messenger or Whatsapp. I’d rather die than put those on my phone.

RaivoKulli,

Facebook Messenger is dogshit but WhatsApp works well imo. More features than sms or even rcs. Dogshit privacy though, even if security might be good.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

I’ve never used it, and I never intend to. I know SMS isn’t ideal for privacy, but at least I can use FOSS apps to interact with it, and it doesn’t mandate intrusive features like “reactions” or read receipts

RaivoKulli,

I’m not sure what’s intrusive about reactions but you can turn off read receipts. Yeah it isn’t ideal either but video calls, sending media/files, group chats (do NOT suggest MMS. Never MMS.) and so on. Lots of features, secure, but yeah privacy is dogshit. Signal is great but I’ve only managed to convert a few people to it.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

I’d welcome the chance to use something more privacy based than Signal

I just never like reactions in an app used for general messaging. They make sense on a more memey plaything like Discord, but not in a messaging app that I’m supposed to take seriously as my primary way to communicate. In fact, simple text only without any other formatting would be ideal. That’s kinda what I like about this place, with the exception of upvotes/downvotes, which could be removed for all I care.

RaivoKulli,

I think images can be useful and even reactions when it’s a (large) group chat. Haven’t had anyone use them 1-1

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

I’ve got a group chat going in SMS with several family members, and I always cringe when I get the message “[brother] laughed at an image,” and I don’t even know what fucking image it was because I don’t have an iPhone.

Reactions just seem like something that should have never been implemented in a place where they’re not universally supported. Maybe I’d feel different with Signal, since I could simply not pay any attention to them. But if someone can’t simply have the time to say “I like that,” then why even react at all? I don’t need to know that you lived, laughed, loved at my image.

RaivoKulli,

I think it’s less annoying with a large group chat to have people react to an image than 20 identical messages. I’ve seen some do group votes through that (👍 vs 👎) which seems like a good use case. Tbh I haven’t seen people use reactions much so probably partly because of that they don’t bother me.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

I guess it would be preferable to getting all the disembodied “x laughed at an image” or “x loved an image” messages without even knowing which image it refers to. One could simply ignore the feature if it were less intrusive.

SineNomineAnonymous,

Realistically, out of the very few people (in relative terms, of course) that use signaly, I highly doubt there was a huge number that relied on it for SMS. Or even knew about SMS. First, you have to rule out anyone who was using it on iOS (by this point, you probably have thousands of people left out of the entire pool - yes I’m kinda pullin that out of my ass but you get my point - which is nothing).

So killing SMS definitely wasn’t the make or break for Signal. Not even close to being likely.

LinkOpensChest_wav,
@LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one avatar

Yeah, I guess I’m not sure about the actual statistics. I do know it was the point when I realized I wouldn’t personally use Signal because everyone I know uses SMS, SMS federates with email, and if I tried switching to a non-SMS app, I’d be screaming into a void.

The only other message apps people around here use are Snapchat, FB Messenger, and WhatsApp, and I’d rather cut people off than use any of those.

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I’ve been using Beeper a month or two. They had a long waiting list, and initially it was subscription only, but they are working on smashing through the waiting list and have changed to a freemium model where you get it for free and (eventually) they will have extra features for subscribers.

Basically, it’s one chat app that connects to lots of different chat services.

If you’re technical, the app is a fork of Element, and the service uses matrix bridges to connect to different chat services, but it’s all presented in a (somewhat) polished way. The wait list is because they are still struggling with scaling and quirks but if you’re on Lemmy you’re probably already well familiar with putting up with this.

It covers heaps of chat networks. Whatsapp, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, Signal, Telegram, and more. It also will let you SMS (unlike Signal 😬).

You can also connect to Matrix rooms but you don’t seem to be able to connect to an existing Matrix account (it uses a Beeper matrix account to connect).

It doesn’t do video/audio calls so they recommend you leave the original app installed and disable message notifications (but leave on call notifications) if you use this.

crystal,

app is closed source :/

Looks cool though

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

Yep. But if you’re keen on this stuff, you can self host matrix and the bridges and do it yourself. Their bridges are open source, just not their apps whose features are their business model.

keepcarrot,

I remember I used to have Pidgin, but facebook closed the messenger API (I think, this was a while ago) How does this work?

Dave,
@Dave@lemmy.nz avatar

I’m afraid I don’t know the details 🙁

KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,
@KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

For pidgin I think you can host your own xmpp server?

keepcarrot,

I think the core issue is that I don’t have enough social clout to get people to change messaging platforms.

KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX,
@KIM_JONG_JUICEBOX@lemmy.ml avatar

Yeah, exactly. This is why Facebook exists.

We could solve this problem if we think about it in the right way.

Tetsuo,

That’s interesting!

I’m just not sure the “security” of WhatsApp is preserved in that case but it’s certainly better than not being able to talk to certain people at all.

Also I think these kind of meta chat apps have been tried before and it usually doesn’t end very well so I’m not sure I would be super optimistic.

Any of the chat provider can break their link to beeper and since they probably don’t really care about it it shouldn’t very reliable.

But a cool find nonetheless!

wheeldawg,

A modern-day Trillian.

chepox,

Nice. Looking into this one. Although in reality I use about 95% whatsapp just because everyone else does. Wish we could all just switch to Signal or even Telegram but nah… Whatsapp is so engrained everywhere that it is not going to go away anytime soon.

DAVENP0RT,

Well, that’s super neat and very useful for my circumstances. I’m moving outside of the US soon to a place where WhatsApp is dominant, but I still want to use SMS/MMS with family and friends in the US since I doubt they’ll make the switch. I’ve been using WhatsApp for about a year now while coordinating stuff for my soon-to-be home and I’ve come to the conclusion that WhatsApp is complete garbage.

NENathaniel,
@NENathaniel@lemmy.ca avatar

I literally installed Telegram/Signal on my families devices, synced their contacts with the app, and said “if you want timely responses, message me here”

gunpachi,
@gunpachi@lemmings.world avatar

I think this could help you.

NENathaniel,
@NENathaniel@lemmy.ca avatar

Interesting I’ll look into it thanks

mr_right, (edited ) to piracy in CHROME (google) is planing to implement DRM (kinda) into their browser
@mr_right@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

–>since everyone is confused about this i’m gonna try to explain as best as i could and also clearing some misconceptions:

1# why this is such a big deal ?

if this gets implemented AND it gets widely adopted websites now can refuse to give you content if you are running a non complied browser, remember those website that say “oh you are using an ad blocker so disable it to access our site” they can detect this by various methods but ultimately all of them rely on running a JavaScript into your browser. which you guessed it, its easy to modify and tamper with manually or using extensions

now what WEI-API does is that it can verify the integrity of the web page ( JavaScript/HTML/CSS has not been modified ) and even tell the website what extensions - ad blocker detected no content for you - you are using and what browser you are using - firefox or brave detected no content for you - and do not be fooled into thinking that this can be spoofed. and website owners who think that they are running a business not a charity will implement this.

2#will using firefox save me?

if this gets widely adopted and you inevitably encounter a website that require this ( for your job ,school or your bank ) you have no choice but to use chrome just like when your banking apps refuse to work because your phone is rooted which means that SAFETY-NET is broken

3#why this is a threat to begin with?

this is only viable if the web adopt it so why bother?, well guess what google is famous for making its services very easy to integrate and well documented just look on how easy it is to integrate google analytics and google adsense* into websites and how many of them use it in the internet.

4#what can we do to prevent this?

this is my personal opinion but i think we simply can’t, this not like the reddit incident were very large portion of the user base was upset most people don’t know/care/give-a-fuck about web technologies and how they work.

Finally “but google said they don’t plan to use this to fingerprint you (Device ID) or track your browser history or interfere with the work of extensions”

do you really believe that a company like google whose bread and butter is advertising would not make it easier for themselves, a company who has been exposed time and time again for lying and having ulterior motives ( you don’t need to look far just look into what manifest-v3 did )

GnuLinuxDude,
@GnuLinuxDude@lemmy.ml avatar

remember those website that say “oh you are using an ad blocker so disable it to access our site”

I can easily imagine this not being a necessary, anymore. Just let the website using this WEI API automatically disable all browser extensions on a WEI-enabled site. Why not, after all? Why should you dictate the traffic you receive on your computer? Why should you own anything?

reggie, to piracy in Our first takedown and our move to njal.la
@reggie@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

njal.la my beloved <3

btw I suggest checking out their blog it is hillarious

balance_sheet,

Dear DHL, thanks for sending us an e-mail about your concerns about our domain name dhlsucks.com. We usually prefer getting these legal threats in physical form but we are aware of the skillset your company lacks in order to get physical letters delivered to it’s destination

Absolute chad

SamsonSeinfelder,

My uBlock Origin blocked a request of iyfbodn.com when I go to dhlsucks.com. Fishy?

balance_sheet,

The website seems to have went down at some point. You can check waybackmachine instead.

reggie,
@reggie@lemmy.fmhy.ml avatar

njal.la is a domain registrar, they do not and never have operated dhlsucks.com, they just provided the domain to someone and dhl contacted them to take the site down

Redjard,
@Redjard@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

TIL

Also today I migrated my domains to a new domain registrar

Ensign_Crab, to piracy in Piracy Wiki + Megathread

“What’s a pirate’s favorite letter?”

“r/”

“Aye, he liked the r/, but it’s the c/ that he really loves.”

Rand0mA,

What did the pirate say when he turned 80??

“Aye matey”

BombOmOm, to noncredibledefense in God I love it when Vatnik propaganda ages like milk
@BombOmOm@lemmy.world avatar

I’m amused by the implication that Russians and Ukrainians have a strong, brotherly bond; but that Russians are perfectly fine with shooting their brothers, taking their brother’s land. Even the cheery Russian propaganda paints Russians as monsters.

volodymyr,

They are saying that they only destroy westernised deviations, liberating true pure Great Russia. Some Russians really believe that. Turns out this “deviation” is the entire Ukrainian nation, tens of millions of humans.

FlyingSquid,
@FlyingSquid@lemmy.world avatar

I know some brothers who are like that. Maybe a brotherly bond isn’t all it’s cracked up to be.

Muehe,

Considering that the second story in the bible is about the first brother to ever exist being killed by the second one, maybe it is. /s

volodymyr,

It is just a very unequal brotherly relation. And big brother just cannot accept he is not welcome.

frezik,

Not brothers like the twins in Breaking Bad. More like Data and Lore.

argh_another_username, to asklemmy in Probably a stupid question, but will we ever have something like a microwave to make things cold? Is there a reason this can't exist?

There’s something called blast freezer, which is basically a freezer with fans inside, like what convection ovens have. It cools down food much faster than a standard freezer.

Jagermo,

It’s on my list when I have fuck you money. Next to a pacojet

driving_crooner,
@driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br avatar

The pacojet is way expensive, also, the pacojet patents runned off and now there exists way cheaper alternatives that work in the same way. Check out the NinjaCream.

Jagermo,

I did but I really want the pacojet :)

idkwhatimdoing,

Why? Not challenging, just wondering what the pacojet does that other machines can’t

Ashyr,

Just reading a quick review of the Ninja Creamy, the Pacojet can run without putting chunks of plastic in your ice cream.

“In early 2023, a moderator in the Ninja Creami Community Facebook group introduced a new rule: No more posts about the plastic issue, lest they clog up the group.”

idkwhatimdoing,

Yeah that seems bad lol. I feel like there has to be an option in between $200(creami) and $7000(pacojet) that can avoid chunks of plastic though

TheGiantKorean,
@TheGiantKorean@lemmy.world avatar

Oh. That’s concerning. 😕

FooBarrington,

You know, a Pacojet can produce a powderized, uh, snow-like texture.

Triple_B,

Weird, I JUST watched that movie.

otterpop,

Check out the Ninja Creamie for something almost exactly like the Pacojet but much more affordable.

Jagermo,

Well, yes, but then I wouldn’t need fuckyou money

Pregnenolone,

I just looked at the website for the pacojet since I’d never heard of it: legit the most patronising website I’ve ever seen in my life

the_post_of_tom_joad,

I think you mean pacotizing®

KSPAtlas,
@KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz avatar

Basically like a blast furnace right?

Gnubyte, to mildlyinfuriating in lemmy.world blocked the largest piracy community in all of lemmy

I think people forget that decentralized doesn’t mean anonymous, and it also doesn’t mean that server admins and servers aren’t beholden to local laws

dmmeyournudes,

yeah, a decentralized link aggregator just works!

bandario,
@bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

If you are hosting a discussion forum on a server that you are responsible for, does that automatically make you responsible for the content that people post on it? Even an instance the size of dbzer0 is impossible for a single person to moderate all of the content from the many communities that are federated with it. Impossible.

That’s like saying the admin of lemmy.world holds all of the wild political opinions that are posted on there.

Stoneykins,

When it comes to the legality of most things hosted on websites, that is how it works. The legality of piracy is different, for no reason.

Too many people in this thread are basically saying “discussing/assisting with piracy is illegal, move on” while having no opinion whatsoever on whether or not that is a just law. They just base their morality on what is legal and I SHOULDN’T HAVE TO SAY WHY THAT CAN BE PROBLEMATIC.

bandario,
@bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

People are fucked.

AeonFelis,

It doesn’t matter if the law is just or not - what matters is the legal risk to the lemmy.world admins and whether or not they are willing to take it.

Stoneykins,

I disagree that it doesn’t matter, even if it is less relevant to lemmy.world’s course of action.

many people in this thread are making moral arguments against piracy, and most of the people doing so are just appealing to the authority of the law.

but if you really want to have a discussion about the risk to lemmy.world, there wasn’t any yet. the piracy community also disallowed sharing direct links to files, and even in the event that lemmy.world had received a DMCA, that would have been the moment to do something about it, they aren’t liable for just hosting content unless they ignore one of those. acting like they are going to get singled out and have the servers shut down and raided because they might have a cache of some person’s comments from a different website where someone might have posted direct links to illegal files is a massive overreaction. This whole thing was set off by a troll that was mad that they got banned from lemmy.dbzer0.com for being transphobic and tried to tattle on the group like a toddler, not because of any implication that the risks were about to change.

not that anyone but the admin’s opinions matter in this case, it is their server. they could do anything at all and it wouldn’t matter to me regardless of it’s legality or risk. Doesn’t change that I’m not fan of large corporations or the people that bend over backwards for them, out of fear or any reason.

Gnubyte,

When feds come a knockin’? Fuck yeah it does mean you’re responsible for them, yeah man. Lmao. We just had our server admin purge some pervert agenda pusher. Because first off thats fucked up and next it could have the server seized.

Some dusty law enforcement won’t care if its just one bad apple. Especially if they get whiff that its a “community”.

bandario,
@bandario@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

It doesn’t make a great deal of sense to me tbh. If you are harboring communities of sexual abusers or something, sure.

Here’s another example: I have some pretty fucked up fiction books in my house. Am I responsible for what the author says? It’s the same damn thing. Words written by a person who is not me, that are in my house.

Tbird83ii, to lemmyshitpost in But my WiFi is just fine!

What’s the criteria?

Speed and reliability? Snakeboi.

Ability to move around unimpeded and/or taking a dump while being on Lemmy? $350 router with spikes.

And if prison rules, I’m going router with spikes…

mvirts,

Idk… I’ve got some pretty long snakey bois

A7thStone,

Are you hitting the max yet? 100m

lud,

There are also the glass snakey bois that you could use.

GreatAlbatross,
@GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk avatar

Be careful though, glass snakes don’t like being coiled too tight!

WrittenWeird,

I ran a 100ft snakey boi to my desk around the start of COVID and it’s still there.

Bonus: switch mounted under desk feeds another 75 footer to kid’s room and PC.

Only the best.

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

I ran a 100ft

It looks big, but it’s only 30 meters. It’s nothing.

Piers,

If it’s anywhere near that long you should see a doctor.

tpihkal,

SAME…ladies?

Ya_Boy_Skinny_Penis,

Yo

Rootiest,

Reliability 100% the snakeboi

But for speed, WiFi can actually out-perform those particular snakebois in many scenarios.

pedz,

In perfect conditions for Wi-Fi. I live in a high rise and the 2.4 Ghz band is hardly usable. My previous phone didn’t have dual band Wi-Fi and it was much faster on 4G than WiFi.

Plus, modern routers and APs often rely on band aggregation and so even with devices that have dual band, crowded airwaves will have a negative effect on speed.

Wi-Fi is very fast when I’m in my cabin in the countryside. But when I get home with the same devices, it’s barely usable.

You could argue that I need a better router with the newest protocol and gizmos but so far, even with new bands and protocols, Wi-Fi is still a competition of which router and devices will shout louder than their neighbors.

FordPrefect,
@FordPrefect@startrek.website avatar

Yes, it seems painfully obvious that the primary driver of new WiFi router sales, is WiFi overcrowding.

MystikIncarnate,

I would argue that the public needs to be better educated or at least saved from themselves with WiFi, however, nobody will be doing that. Having multiple lower-powered APs in a space can dramatically reduce how far outside of your premise the signal travels, and provide fast speeds indoors, however, it only takes one dummy to pick up a long-range AP, and put it in their apartment to ruin the wifi for everyone else around them.

Unless we start EM isolating apartments, or get everyone to start using modern lower-powered WiFi with multiple access points for coverage, things won’t change. I largely consider it to be impossible to fix WiFi in large buildings; especially established apartment buildings. No company is going to spend on 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz isolation insulation to be installed between units just for their renters to have better WiFi, and the general public as a whole… well, it’s basically a fool’s errand to convince everyone to do anything without government regulation, and bluntly, the government, made of the same idiots that make up the general public, isn’t any better and won’t be forcing everyone to “do it correctly”… so we get this dystopian landscape of WiFi for any high-density area.

IMO, new builds don’t really have an excuse not to, it’s a trivial additional cost to install while things are being built, putting AP hookups in the ceilings, and WiFi blocking measures in the walls between units, but they still don’t, because cost. They want to spend nothing and collect huge rent payments for basically squatting on a plot of land.

A7thStone,

Snaky boi is consistent

v81,

Nope. While WiFi has fancy claims you’re not going to get any more than around 1200mbps at 20 metres on the best day with the best gear.

While with cat6 you’ll probably do 2.5gbps to 100m no problem, and even 10gbps. Even cat5e will do those speeds at certain distances.

JudahBenHur,

I have a 10 meter cat5 cable I use for one application that can’t have any interruptions or lag.

Calling it cat5 cable makes any woman who hears me want to leave their man for me. Good to see another king our there using the proper terminology, stay tight player

Honytawk,

Cat5, what is this? The year 2000?

At least use cat5e

Confused_Emus,

cat6 or bust!

gtaman,

U wont believe but its almost easier to get cat5e than cat 6 here

PM_ME_FEET_PICS,

Cat5e. What is this 2005? Use Cat9.

FordPrefect,
@FordPrefect@startrek.website avatar

Hmmm, that reminds me; I need to separate out all the old ones that say “10BaseT”

JudahBenHur,

I did buy the cable around 2010 for cheap

egonallanon,

Also WiFi is half duplex so you only get those speeds in one direction at a time.

Rai,

Didn’t know that, thank you!

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Physical limit for 2.4GHz is 1.11 gigabits per second or only 143 megabytes per second AT ALL. For 5GHz it’s slightly more than twice as much, but still less than even shitty cat5e, that allows 2.5GBE at 100 meters or in certain conditions 5GBE.

While with cat6 you’ll probably do 2.5gbps to 100m no problem,

Cat6 is 5gbps no problem at 100 meters and 10gbps at 55 meters.

Num10ck,
uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

TLDR, Intel banned my country

PixxlMan,

I have 0 faith that a router which doesn’t have high speed ethernet will ever be able to deliver such fast WiFi. If they’ve cheaped out on the ethernet I doubt they’ve splurged on WiFi most devices can’t use. And if you’re talking about fast ethernet, then WiFi is chanceless.

MystikIncarnate,

“fast ethernet” is defined as 100mbps. I know what you meant, but there’s an actual industry definition for “fast” ethernet…

Most of the marketing is showing a combined speed at 100% optimal conditions. Unless you live in a faraday cage and have 4x4 802.11 equipment on all of your 5Ghz devices, and 2x2 at least on all of your 2.4Ghz equipment, then do massive, consistent and continual one-way data transfers using UDP or something which doesn’t have window sizes and can support one-way no-reply transfers like with multicast, all with a perfect signal and the highest wireless PHY rates, you’re not going to even remotely see that much speed.

tryptaminev,

What communitys do you browse that dont load satisfactorily with a normal wifi router?

themusicman,

Normal router wasn’t one of the options

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Unless your toilet room just so happens to have a RJ45 socket in the wall. I know one that has two of them.

Colorcodedresistor,

Coop LAN pooping?

rostby,

There are some pretty long snakebois in prison, there usually in the shower areas

jaybone,

But router needs cable.

JJROKCZ, to mildlyinfuriating in lemmy.world blocked the largest piracy community in all of lemmy

Wtf dbzero was a huge proponent of the fediverse and has been a part of the recent swell in users. I don’t agree with this decision at all

Feathercrown, (edited )

I mean if you support illegally hosted material you can be forced to take down your website. As much as it sucks, piracy is illegal. Anyways, they haven’t defederated, just blocked that community.

Mugmoor,
@Mugmoor@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

In many jurisdictions what they’re doing there isn’t illegal at all. It is well understood that you do not post links out in the open.

Downloading isn’t illegal, sharing is. At least outside of the US (and a few others)

cerevant,

Remember that lemmy.world has to keep a copy of whatever content appears in a federated community on their servers, making them legally liable for the content. At least they just blocked the community instead of defederating.

Leroy,

At least they just blocked the community instead of defederating

Would you mind explaining the difference?

potat,
@potat@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Basically they blocked the communities but not the instances they were hosted on, so people on lemmy.world can still interact with posts and comments made by people like me

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

Blocking the community just blocks those specific communities. Defederating would be blocking everything on lemmy.dbzer0.com.

cerevant,

Defederating cuts off the whole instance. They just blocked those three piracy communities as far as I understand.

Appoxo,
@Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Only here because of my instance.

CrypticFawn, to piracy in CHROME (google) is planing to implement DRM (kinda) into their browser
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I will happily stop visiting any website that demands I use an approved browser.

ssorbom,

You won’t have a choice if it’s a bank or your job. This is the truly insidious thing, if enough important websites start demanding the standard, you might just end up forcing yourself off of the internet with that attitude

CaptPretentious,

There would have to be very significant reasons for a bank to do that.

MystikIncarnate,

Like what? The only reason I’ve seen is laziness. Several banks in my area still require IE for some of their more elaborate online services. It’s typically limited to business users, but they’re still requiring it; to the point where they have a team of support agents that remote connect and reconfigure edge to run an IE-mode tab to the site, and install all their malware on your PC to make the service work. With the proper effort the whole thing could be reduced to little more than a chrome/firefox/opera/edge/safari/whatever extension…

But they don’t. because they’re lazy.

CaptPretentious,

So you’re taking your experience, with banks only local to you, and extending that as a blanket statement for all banks…

Please list all these banks near you that require IE?

MystikIncarnate,

Please list all these banks near you that require IE?

yes.

DulyNoted,

I’m a totally separate person, and I can also verify that forcing business users to use IE for certain services is definitely a thing.

I’m not sure what your point is? It’s not necessarily going to apply to ALL banks, but it’ll probably apply to SOME of them, and that will suck if it happens to be your/my bank.

Garden_Ramsay,

I used to work at a credit union in IT. I can confirm financial institution laziness knows no bounds. Separate from their laziness is the vendor compatibility. I can’t count how many vendors do not update their software to run on modern browsers and relied on specific IE instances. Adding to all that is just the institution itself having decades old hardware and software because modernizing things can be incredibly expensive. The core my company used was incredibly outdated Unix and required a ton of different middleware just to make sure we were compliant where absolutely necessary. If it wasn’t necessary nothing got done. And that’s better than a lot of banks that could be running on some COBOL based core. Completely redoing the core will affect every middleware crap solution they’ve patchworked together to keep running over the past few decades and will be insanely resource, cost, and time intensive.

Even these days at my current company I run into this shit. Huntington bank requiring IE for check processing, or SAGE DB software requiring 2013 Access or else it won’t work. These are huge companies still utilizing outdated piles of garbage.

MystikIncarnate,

oh, I also want to point out that you completely ignored my question; you said “There would have to be very significant reasons” and I asked what that was, and instead of responding with a clarification on what is required as a reason for a bank to actually do the thing, you attacked my position asking for more clarity on which banks were actually doing this, I’m sure in an effort to minimize the scale at which my experience is relevant, yet other lemmings have already chimed in to say that they have also witnessed the same lazy behavior.

Classic misdirection. So, what justification is required for banks to actually innovate? The only thing I’ve seen from banks is them trying everything they can not to; so I’m genuinely curious what justification is required to actually make a bank do something.

CrypticFawn,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

What Banks do this? USAA doesn’t, and that’s what I use.

I’ve zero issues swapping banks if needed.

MystikIncarnate,

On the consumer front, almost everything has a web interface layer over the grotesque monster that actually runs the services.

For any business accounts, banks are an entirely different monster. If you’ve only ever used consumer services, you’ll never know the disgusting mess underneath it all. Banks have only done this much for consumers because if they didn’t, they would have either lost, or never attracted any of the modern generations to their services, namely millennials, and all those who came after.

The older generation for the large part, is happy to continue using IE, and walking into a bank to do whatever they need to… But starting with millennials, having browser agnostic web based services to do simple things like bill payments, account to account transfers, balances and transaction records, and most don’t need much more than that.

One of the more recent, and possibly most egregious examples was a cheque scanner for a business, which was a USB attachment to a client’s workstation for bringing in payments in bulk, rapidly. Think about it like the mobile cheque deposit in your favorite banks app, but on steroids. The bank provided the cheque scanner, and a business login page for the service. The way it operated, from what I could see, is that it required special drivers from the bank for the device, and a series of custom ActiveX plugins, which, as expected, only work with IE. The entire process was essentially to take a high resolution scan of the cheque, and dump the image into the website (I presume, securely), to submit the payment to the bank. This process would be complete in a matter of seconds when it’s running correctly. From what I saw from what the bank technician did, remotely, was to load the site in edge, force it to display in an IE tab, then adjust the drivers and signing of ActiveX control to validate and submit the scans.

The mobile deposit does the same but much slower, potentially taking minutes to capture the cheques image and fill in all the details, per cheque. Meanwhile this process could literally process a dozen cheques in the same amount of time. What kills me is that mobile deposit is basically the same thing and they have the structure for it already. It should be relatively trivial to adapt the process to use the cheque scanner to submit the images of the cheque, compared to basically having to registry hack each client computer to work with the antiquated system instead; but they do it anyways.

CrypticFawn,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

I was asking for a list of Banks, not multiple paragraphs I’ve no interest in reading.

MystikIncarnate,

All of them.

CrypticFawn,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

USAA doesn’t not require that I use only Chrome.

MystikIncarnate,

You should have read what I said before, it doesn’t require you to. Consumer clients are generally immune to the problem. Not all of their customers are.

I can’t help you if you choose to ignore what I say, and rely solely on your own anecdotal evidence.

Good day to you sir.

nestEggParrot,

Partly. Financial applications aren’t so easy to update for some valid reasons. No only do youave to implement the whole application on a new stack but also validate and extensively test them for flaws, things that have already been done on the ond application over many years.

Thats why some high end financial systems run on archaic architectures that needs to be emulated for lack of hardware.

Similarly for large enterprise applications that rely on decace old releases of OS and platform only performing security patches to mimimise breakages.

Its too simple to chalk it up as lazy.

CrypticFawn,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

You won’t have a choice if it’s a bank

Time to find a new bank.

your job

I’m self employed so I aint worried about that.

sab,

They don’t need everyone to comply, just the vast majority.

CrypticFawn,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Which is why it’s important to encourage and educate as many about it as possible now.

Acid,
@Acid@startrek.website avatar

I’m already locked in, I have to use google products daily for work as my work email and drive is all done through google. There’s no moving off that unless I leave my job and even then there’s no guarantee.

Fuck man, this blows.

MasterBuilder,

… Until all the sites you absolutely need to use in order to *function in society *require approved devices with proper tracking.

CrypticFawn,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

So you fight it now by switching away from Google as much as you can.

MasterBuilder,

That won’t help when you must use it for any online access to (for example) your bank, any loan application, school enrollment, car maintenance, online shopping, tax filing, airline tickets, passport renewal, license3 renewal, mortgage payment, etc., etc .

biddy,

I will as well, unless it’s necessary for work/school, or to participate with the government, or not using it will isolate me from friends and family.

Google has close to absolute control of the internet, which is now an essential tool to participate in society. The amount of power they have is insane, it rivals governments.

ProtonBadger,

Well, those of us who care all say that but I for one have to access government and banking websites in several countries, if they implement this I have no choice. This abomination must be prevented in the first place.

CrypticFawn,
@CrypticFawn@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

Agreed.

PostingInPublic,

Do you require ad blockers with these? This use case sounds like the intention of the feature, not like the perversion we’re headed for now.

t0fr, (edited )
@t0fr@lemmy.ca avatar

You can use Chrome for those websites if they completely break, and Firefox for everything else.

Banks and government websites don’t tend to have adverts.

glad_cat,

We can criticize the EU, but they would not allow or force people to install Chrome in order to access government web sites.

Repossess6855, to piracy in CHROME (google) is planing to implement DRM (kinda) into their browser

Stop using Google products I don’t know how else to fucking say it.

Chrome -> Firefox Drive -> sync or Dropbox or any number of options Sheets and productivity tools > libre office or Apache open office YouTube -> Invidious or even better, odysse Google search -> duck duck go, SearXNG, StartPage, etc Gmail -> not a ton of great options. I’d probably recommend proton mail but the FOSS email world is definitely lacking, or gets blocked or goes down, harder to self host etc.

BumpingFuglies,

FYI, you need two new lines (hit Enter twice) to actually get a new line in Lemmy.

Two new lines One new line.

metaltoilet,
@metaltoilet@beehaw.org avatar

Is there a reason behind this?

h34d,

It’s standard markdown afaik. Two new lines creates a new paragraphs, two spaces and one new line creates just a new line.

BumpingFuglies,

Because Reddit does it? 🤷‍♀️

Quill7513,

Nah its part of the markdown specification

BumpingFuglies,

That’s actually a bit of a relief to learn. I didn’t want to believe it was simply because Lemmy was trying to copy Reddit, but I just didn’t know enough to see any other reason.

https://c.tenor.com/ZiLugTiVQNgAAAAC/tenor.gif

Quill7513,

Markdown treats single newline breaks as being a line wrap in a long text flow

ClassyHatter,
@ClassyHatter@sopuli.xyz avatar

Can also add two spaces at the end of line to force line break

kadu,
@kadu@lemmy.world avatar

If anything came anywhere close to Google Photos, I’d stop using it. But trust me, there aren’t any viable alternatives.

DeltaTangoLima,
@DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com avatar

Immich is getting pretty darn close, close enough that you could genuinely have a think about what features really matter to you, vs the cost of privacy lost continuing to use Google Photos.

naught,

ty for this rec! i have been searching for something like this passively for a while.

DeltaTangoLima,
@DeltaTangoLima@reddrefuge.com avatar

Yeah, me too. I’ve been on Photoprism for a while, and that got me out of Google Photos, but not my wife.

What annoys me about Photoprism is the long-promised multi-user feature was put behind a paid subscription. I was a paid Github supporter, and would’ve been happy to continue with my annual donation (like I do for other tech projects), but then they went the greedy ongoing sub route.

nevernevermore,

helped with formatting:

Chrome -> Firefox

Drive -> sync or Dropbox or any number of options

Sheets and productivity tools > libre office or Apache open office

YouTube -> Invidious or even better, odysse

Google search -> duck duck go, SearXNG, StartPage, etc

Gmail -> not a ton of great options. I’d probably recommend proton mail but the FOSS email world is definitely lacking, or gets blocked or goes down, harder to self host etc.

And I agree for sure. In order I use firefox (and brave sometimes), Proton Drive, Apple Productivity suite (pages, numbers etc), and either startpage or qwant, and proton mail. I do still use use YouTube Premium, but the point is Google doesn't need to have its fingers in every aspect of my digital life.

ANIMATEK,

While I get your spirit… Dropbox belongs to google too 😂 they are everywhere! Worse than the plague.

nevernevermore,

i didn't write the quoted list, just helped the OP with his formatting. I use proton drive, not dropbox.

rastilin,

I had no idea Proton Drive was a thing. I'll switch to it, Dropbox is becoming incredibly obnoxious with the advertising popups and notifications.

TechnoBabble,

For many people, Google controls the entire network stack from their ISP, router, OS, DNS, their browser, all the way down to the platform hosting the content they watch.

Google has captured such a wide part of the Internet that any changes they make will have at least a moderate effect on our lives. Even if we don’t use any Google services.

The only thing that can stop them is probably the EU at this point. And I’m sure Google has a plan for that.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

They can’t have a plan for that. They have two options: conform or leave EU.

nintendiator,

lol, just become the government pay the EU.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

EU is widely adopting the policy of fining by a percentage of global revenue which is what hurts even the largest companies, precisely to avoid “just pay the EU”.

nintendiator,

And what glorious percentage is that? 25% 30%? 35% And on what schedule? Weekly? Daily?

bear_with_a_hammer,

YouTube -> Invidious or even better, odysse -> or even, even better, PeerTube

boonhet,

Nextcloud technically does much of what Drive does, but my instance is buggy lol

Still, costing me nothing to run for now, AWS 12 month free tier. Will move to a VPS somewhere not-aws before that’s over.

argv_minus_one,

What’s the replacement for Android?

pineapplelover,

Linux, but that’s not a viable option. I would use degoogled Android OSs. GrapheneOS, CalyxOS, e/os, and LineageOS are some of the popular ones.

Repossess6855,

Also correct here.

The 3 main have varying degrees of function vs security/privacy and should be researched.

rikudou,
@rikudou@lemmings.world avatar

I use SailfishOS and while it’s more work, it’s viable.

boonhet,

Look, it’s an unpopular opinion and many will disagree with me, but while Apple does certain things to restrict you from customizing your experience, they’re doing far less to destroy the open Internet than Google. So if you need a fully featured OS (which degoogled custom Android ROMs might not be, if you need banking for an example), it’s still an alternative for now, until Linux mobile experience gets better.

argv_minus_one,

On iOS, there’s no browser extensions (for e.g. ad blocking), no alternative browsers, and no FOSS apps of any kind. That platform is extremely hostile to the ideals of computing freedom.

boonhet,

Like I said, it’s a better (for privacy) alternative to stock Android when you need a fully functional operating system. If you can stand to lose the oppressive Google functionality, you can go degoogled Android or preferably Linux (if you don’t care about battery life or app availability).

nintendiator,

Android, but the real one (AOSP, etc) that you can get with custom ROMs, not Google® Android©.

argv_minus_one,

AOSP is a Google product.

nintendiator,

That¿s why I said “the one you get from the custom ROMs”. Well, the ones that fork and maintain on their own anyway.

The other alternative honestly is Linux mobile, once it more properly launches.

elbarto777,

Wait. Sync offers file storage? I thought it was just to sync up your Firefox sessions across multiple devices.

Or am I confusing services with similar names?

Odo,

I think they’re referring to the storage service at sync.com, not Firefox Sync.

Repossess6855,

Correct

elbarto777,

How do you like it? Would you prefer it over dropbox, or not really?

Repossess6855,

I prefer it to drop box, it’s a better service and I believe not owned by Google like drop box it

elbarto777,

Gawd damn, I didn’t know Google acquired Dropbox in 2010. Ok. Time to move.

But what makes Sync a better service? A better UI?

arditty,

I’ve been migrating to sync from Dropbox after hearing too many reports of Dropbox scanning user content for things they deem objectionable. I like the end to end encryption, but I have found the mobile experience on iOS to be lacking. It seems to have trouble integrating with Files and uploading files directly via the iOS share menu. Annoying but not a dealbreaker.

carlytm,

YouTube -> Invidious or even better, odysse

Or, even better, PeerTube, the federated alternative.

Compactor9679,

Proton mail for sure!! Great great great! Cant stop recomending

techgearwhips,

Yea i love Protonmail. I haven’t had one issue with it.

iopq,

I like brave search because it uses its own index

Repossess6855,

Brave has done too many shady bullshit things and has thus completely lost my support and interest. I do not recommend them.

JetpackJackson,
@JetpackJackson@feddit.de avatar

Question, I use Google docs a lot cause I like the sync and it’s convenient when I write something like a book on my computer and then can add more on my phone and it syncs. Does Apache open office do that? I would like to switch if all this chrome stuff is bad but I use all of it all the time

breg,

look into syncthing paired with local-first notes application (obsidian or similar), or simple text editor. work like a charm in my case.

JetpackJackson,
@JetpackJackson@feddit.de avatar

Alright, thanks, I’ll try those out!

JetpackJackson,
@JetpackJackson@feddit.de avatar

Ok I really like Obsidian! The interface is really clean! I might still need to look for a proper word processor (I guess I could use libreoffice) but I also use geany as a notepad++ substitute and it’s really nice too. I still gotta look into setting up syncthing though

Repossess6855,

I generally would recommend Libreoffice over AOO but not sure about cloud sync options

JetpackJackson,
@JetpackJackson@feddit.de avatar

Interesting. Well, I did find Gnumeric in my search for a simple spreadsheet app for making flashcards with, so TIL something new I guess my “cloudsync” can be using syncthing or just backing up to a flash drive lol

neo,
@neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space avatar

cryptpad.fr is a potential option. You can also host it yourself if you don’t want to pay them for extra storage space.

JetpackJackson,
@JetpackJackson@feddit.de avatar

Oh that looks neat! I’ll have to look into it, thanks!

Kyle,

I really really want to move from google workspace, google photos and google drive. I used it all to backup a 16TB archive, sharing photos with family and friends and keeping my personal files in the cloud and synched across computers. I used a Synology to backup the archive from the computer locally to the Synology and offsite to google drive. But here’s the thing, I’m a somewhat PC and Mac-savvy technical guy, but purely GUI. Is moving to Nextcloud on my synology going to be as easy as moving to google drive? I’m a little scared TBH. There are so many ways of installing next cloud and doing 3-2-1 backups and I don’t have time to handle a little error on a Synology destroying my whole workflow for days… Someone give me hope.

Alivrah, to technology in The state of Playstore

A single row of ads would be ok, but having this many plus an ad showing up first, where the search results should be… Oof

Sheltac,

No it wouldn’t. Phones aren’t cheap.

DauntingFlamingo,

They can be. I bought a Galaxy s22 with a broken screen for $150, and my carrier just gave me an $1100 credit for it on a new iphone. I don’t need an iPhone, and I will be selling it to get yet another cheap phone and pocketing the money, but it goes to show just how much phones do not cost to the people producing them

Anomalous_Llama,

Dam that’s a hilarious life hack lol.

I’m on a 12 Pro with no intentions of upgrading but when I go to I’m gonna try and find a new broken flagship to turn in too lmao.

Fontasia,

The Android licence is free and the Play Store infrastructure has to support tens of millions of devices.

I’m not saying this is an acceptable level, but Samsung ain’t putting a dollar toward Google running the store, in fact, they’d much prefer to run and maintain their own.

Sheltac,

I guess hoovering up all your data ain’t enough.

redcalcium,

That’s not true. Phone manufacturers need to pay if they want to include Google Play in their devices, it’s not free. It can cost as much as $40 per device.

Fontasia,

Thanks for the correction, I was unaware

SkyeStarfall,

I don’t even get why having the store on more devices is supposed to “cost” google anything.

It’s a store. They get a cut from every transaction. Why wouldn’t they want it to be on everything?

sunglocto,
@sunglocto@lemmy.zip avatar

They shouldn’t rely on ads to make money back on a phone IMHO.

Kraven_the_Hunter,

I don’t think ads showing something related to what I’m looking for are bad in and if themselves. I want to find related content, the problem is that these are often not in any way related to what I’m looking for. It’s just a list of who paid to be listed there.

El_Rocha, to privacy in Windows pc calling home (even while asleep)

Is this machine by any chance a recent laptop?

Newer laptops with Intel cpu (not sure about AMD) don’t have a real sleep mode anymore. Instead, they have a mode where, besides the ram, the cpu and the network device are also kept alive for communication.

In theory, this means that when you wake up your device all of your apps and stuff will already be updated with the latest information from the web with little battery loss. In practice, it just overheats your laptop while in your backpack and kills the battery.

The ping you see while it is “sleeping” might be from this.

Dreadful6644,

Same for most AMD laptops as well.

Spotlight7573,

Here’s Microsoft’s information page on it:

learn.microsoft.com/en-us/…/modern-standby

Redex68,

Linus explored that bug, it’s not so much with recent laptops as it is with Windows sleep in general. For some god forsaken reason, if your laptop is connected to a network while plugged in and you put it to sleep, and then unplug your laptop from the power, it will burn through its battery and die. This doesn’t happen if you unplug your laptop before you put it into sleep mode. My guess is that while it’s plugged in, Windows thinks it’s fine for it to run a bit hotter, but when you unplug it while it’s in sleep mode, it doesn’t realise it’s not plugged in anymore and drains the battery. Idk how they have still not fixed this after many years, but it is still a problem.

user224,
@user224@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

As the time goes I just miss my old laptop more and more. What’s next, no shutdown feature?

drwho,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

Pretty soon, yeah. Try making sure a recent Macbook is actually offline.

jarfil,

That’s one of the ideas with MRAM: buy your device already booted up, no more booting up or shutting down (…or reinstalling, or changing the OS).

TheProtagonist,

This is why I disconnect my machines from the network while in sleep mode (I use only wired connections). For me it’s perfectly sufficient if they update the apps while I use them.

LiveLM,

It’s such a dumb fucking feature too.
“Oh god forbid my email client and messaging app refresh 5 seconds after I wake my laptop instead of being already refreshed”
Who actually cares? Who on earth asked for this zombie sleep state?

5redie8,

A consequence of the endless need for NeW fEaTuReS

El_Rocha,

I think the worst part is not that they added it, but that they removed regular S3.

drwho,
@drwho@beehaw.org avatar

Nobody asked for it. And it’s not like they add anything people ask for (or remove things people ask them to get rid of) anyway.

Macbooks are the same way. I have one of my System Bots running on my work laptop (now that I can get away with it) and it wakes up… let me see… somewhere between every half hour to three hours, whether I want it to or not.

This “always on” bullshit is frustrating.

XTornado,

I expect is more usefull for big files or similar, aka like the consoles standby updates downloads.

fuckwit_mcbumcrumble,

Don’t forget the added feature of your laptop overheating and crashing when you put it into your backpack.

Or my personal favorite is when it doesn’t overheat and crash it drains 20% of it’s battery in 15 minutes then goes into hibernation.

mojo,

Your phone does the same thing and it’s definitely a good thing.

glarf,

You have precisely described my experience with my latest laptop. I get probably 4 hours of battery life in this mode. After that my battery is probably at 20% or less which means that when I open the laptop there’s almost nothing I can do with it.

I had to figure out how to re-enable S3 sleep and now I’m struggling with my stupid Wi-Fi adapter which breaks every time I resume from sleep but all I have to do is toggle it and I’m back to running again. After doing this change my battery life in sleep will actually last at least a day now which is massive compared to what it used to be.

pirrrrrrrr,

Hibernate FTW

Gradually_Adjusting, to confidently_incorrect in Well this aged like milk.
@Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world avatar

More a case of “confidently lying”

NateNate60,

More likely a case of “confidently being paid to lie”

NOT_RICK,
@NOT_RICK@lemmy.world avatar

A lot of useful idiots do it for free

IHeartBadCode,
@IHeartBadCode@kbin.social avatar

“Notice me Putin Senpai!”

I have to admit, the number of people who simp for Authoritarians is much higher than I thought it would ever be.

NateNate60,

Imagine posting this drivel on the Internet and you’re not even getting any money for making such a fool of yourself in public

Touching_Grass, (edited )

It seems to happen in a lot of areas today. This generation let a lot things erode because of it. I remember people defending the introduction of ads on to the internet.

“Its just a 30 second skippable ad. Stop complaining”,

“so what they collect a little data, they want to gear ads to their audience”,

“Its 4 consecutive 2 min unskippable ads, who cares. Not the end of the world”,

“they built a profile of you that lists everyone you know through social media using the tools and methods they learned from these ad systems. The profile lists all your motivations, wants and needs based off your favorite Mr. Beast shorts that they use to target political ads meant to radicalize you and if not you then your friends, Dada, uncles, moms, sisters. Shut up and drink your athletic greens.”

NateNate60,

Daily reminder that you can opt out of Google’s advertising “personalisation”. They don’t advertise this ability for obvious reasons.

Touching_Grass,

But isn’t everything tracked and sold now. I used reddit, they have a profile that gets sold. Youtube has my ip. My go to recipe site knows my favorite food. And all that is bought by ad companies how buy our attention from our favorite podcasts and videos who whore us out

WtfEvenIsExistence,

“Y’all getting paid?”

NateNate60,

¥0.50 per post, comrade. Payment by weixin every Sunday and bonus ¥100 if post appears on Western wall street journal or bbc

WtfEvenIsExistence,

lemmygrad.ml is a better place for recruitment, comrade 😉

awwwyissss,

Or Hexbear

Sorchist,

ZING!

uis,
@uis@lemmy.world avatar

Bowl of rice, cat wife and +200 social credit

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

The account has been suspended, so quite possibliy

dojan,
@dojan@lemmy.world avatar

If anything doesn’t that indicate that it’s not as likely, what with pedophiles, nazis, and what have you being let onto Twitter again in the name of “free speech?”

NateNate60,

The difference between those groups and Russian propagandists is that you-know-who sympathises with the former but not the latter

Sorchist,

Doesn't he though? He's gotten grumpy about helping the Ukranians with internet from time to time, and he's declared that Russia should get to keep Crimea. I bet if the invasion of Ukraine happened today he'd have refused to help Ukraine with Starlink at all, he's so far down the far-right rabbit hole.

HeartyBeast,
@HeartyBeast@kbin.social avatar

I'm going to guess that Xwitter still kicks off accounts that are associated with bot farms and other astroturfing efforts and ythis may have been one of them.

Thedogspaw,
@Thedogspaw@midwest.social avatar

I don’t think he was lying just extremely arrogant who wouldn’t want to be apart of the great Russian empire

jsdz, to piracy in YouTube's anti-adblock rollout has finally arrived for Firefox users

I’ve just noticed that this is in c/piracy. I suppose there’s lots of interest in the story here and everywhere else, but I’d just like to remind you all that ad-blocking is not piracy.

KairuByte,
@KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

While I wholeheartedly agree, you’ll hear a different tune from others. “You’re accessing our service without paying in ad-revenue!!!” and the like.

betheydocrime,

Why isn’t it?

Olgratin_Magmatoe, (edited )

Because ad blocking is a security and privacy feature. We have the right to choose what HTML and scripts are loaded into our browser. Without that right, we have no web security or privacy.

We also have the right to not listen to ads, turning off the radio the moment they come on. Internet ad blocking is effectively the same thing, just automated. Piracy is completely different, because it is the unlawful copying of digital data.

betheydocrime, (edited )

That’s not the only way ads are shown to you, though. For example, some youtube content creators like Internet Comment Etiquette will include ads from their major sponsors as part of the video itself. When that happens, you trust the security and privacy of the website enough to serve you content during the non-advertising parts of it, so what changes now that the content is an ad?

As a thought experiment, imagine if you were able to ascertain with 100% accuracy that an ad was not a security or privacy violation. Would you whitelist that ad server? For example, if viewing ads on your PC had as little potential for harm as viewing ads in the newspaper did, would you still block them?

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

if you were able to ascertain with 100% accuracy that an ad was not a security or privacy violation

Security isn’t the only part of this.

if viewing ads on your PC had as little potential for harm as viewing ads in the newspaper did, would you still block them?

I basically already do this with the radio. The moment an ad plays, the radio gets shut off. I turn it back on at the next 0 or 5 minute mark and it’s over.

Advertisers do not have a right to force me to listen. The same applies for internet ad blocking. One of these is just automated.

betheydocrime,

Then for you, it’s not just about security and privacy, I guess

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

I updated my original comment to make it more clear.

JiveTurkey,

Couldn’t Google say you don’t have the right to listen/watch for free and you can’t force them to serve content for nothing in return? Advertising is just a means to an end.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

Sure they could. But that’s not going to stop me from circumventing their attempts if it is reasonably possible.

projectilecomet,

While that may be the case, when by terms of service the “fee” you pay to consume YouTube content is adverts, by blocking those adverts you are not paying the “fee” therefore it kinda is piracy. The argument about adverts with malicious intent or ones that are specifically designed to be deceptive is a different argument, though relevent for why said piracy occurs.

YouTube is free to you because you watch adverts. Otherwise you pay for YouTube premium. By using ad-blockers you circumvent these agreements.

I wholly support ad-blocking for the record, literally used ad-blockers my entire life and have absolutely no qualms with usage.

ram,
@ram@bookwormstory.social avatar

What do you think of privacy frontends to Youtube like Piped and Invidious, where users never have to abide by the Youtube TOS (implicitly nor explicitly). Is the complete circumvention of Youtube’s UI more, or less “piracy”?

Trainguyrom,

There’s also the argument that adblocking but buying merch, using sponsor links and/or providing direct financial support to the channel provides significantly more income to the creator than the ads for your individual views ever would.

Personally I take a much more individualistic view of “I hate ads and can’t afford YouTube’s adfree offering so I use an adblocker instead” but I don’t see the need to defend my choice to starve the creator of the $0.05 in ad revenue I might have generated them otherwise

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

therefore it kinda is piracy.

It’s not an illegal form or copying though. It’s the equivalent or turning off the radio when an ad comes on, then turning it back on once it’s over.

JiveTurkey,

But no one is stopping you from turning off your monitor until the ad is over and then turning it back on.

Olgratin_Magmatoe, (edited )

Why would I do that when it can be automated with a script that removes HTML and scripts responsible for ads?

filcuk,

I feel like if you don’t agree or trust the content a website loads, dont visit it. I use ad blockers, and I think what I do is the same as piracy, especially if sites rely on ad revenue to run. I don’t like this business model, but it’s not like I’m paying for youtube alternatives either, not yet at least.

Olgratin_Magmatoe,

All websites are unable to be trusted.

Fosheze,

Google has already been caught serving ads that inject malware on multiple occasions. It’s literally googles ad service that can’t be trusted. If they don’t even have the decency to vet the ads that they’re serving (which they clearly don’t) then I’m definitely blocking the damn things.

moralesformiles,

People interested in piracy are also interested in ad blocking. Seems relevant to me.

zaknenou,
@zaknenou@lemmy.dbzer0.com avatar

c/piracy is just c/useful, the only community on lemmy where you are actually getting something useful.

Contend6248, (edited )

I do think it is piracy, for me piracy is taking what you want exactly how you want it and don’t ask for it, absolute freedom.

We small people don’t have the possibilities as the rich to save much money with tax tricks or anything similar, so this is how we’re compensating.

I rather have piracy seen more positively than distant certain areas from it. Just my opinion.

samus12345,
@samus12345@lemmy.world avatar

To corporations, doing anything that’s not they way they want you to do it is piracy.

AOCapitulator,
@AOCapitulator@hexbear.net avatar

Ads make you pay with your time,

Yar me harties!

averyminya,

Linus Tech Tips seems to think it is, lmao

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