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firebreathingbunny, to ukraine in Russian troops raped women as old as 83 while their families were forced to listen

Anti-Russian black propaganda is getting absolutely ridiculous.

deft, (edited )

every time one of you say this dumb ass idiot shit America sends one more F15 or Abrams ank so keep pissing your pants fucko

thanksforallthefish,

F16 and the US hasnt yet agreed to send any, only training. Denmark Netherlands and another EU country I can’t recall the name of are the only ones who said they would so far. We all hope the US will of course.

dumdum666,

So Reality and Facts have a strong Anti Russian bias? Who would have thought.

echodot,

Just because the Russians are committing war crimes all over the place doesn’t mean we should point it out, because that’s just rude.

firebreathingbunny, (edited )

Only idiots like you believe such blatant propaganda.

Hanabie,
@Hanabie@sh.itjust.works avatar

Don’t you have a bot farm to look after?

Alchemy,
@Alchemy@lemmy.world avatar

When do we get to see the video of you getting droned in Ukraine?

Astroturfed,

Realty has a anti-russiam bias and it’s absolutely ridiculous.

lisko,
@lisko@sopuli.xyz avatar

Can you explain what you mean by “black” propaganda?

fruitleatherpostcard, to ukraine in Russian troops raped women as old as 83 while their families were forced to listen

Not an excuse but the Russian population has been brutalised for a few hundred years and they are culturally warped in a manner known clinically as “Fucked in the head”.

ClumZy,

A traumatized dog is a dangerous dog and has to be put down. I’m glad to see that the Ukraine army is doing as such.

Once the war is over, every Russian man that took part in it must be neutralised, it’s the only way. Rapists, and those that allow such atrocities, do not deserve to live and must die for the good of others.

fruitleatherpostcard,

How about rehabilitation of the entire nation?!?

DessertStorms, to ukraine in Russian troops raped women as old as 83 while their families were forced to listen
@DessertStorms@kbin.social avatar

How the fuck is their age relevant?

Does the person who wrote this think old women generally don't get raped?
Or that the rape of an old woman is somehow worse than that of a young one?

"Russian troops raped women while their families were forced to listen" gets the same story across, sensationalising victims' details for clicks is gross.

1984,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

It’s to portray Russian soldier as people who doesn’t even respect 80 year olds. Similar to when someone kills an 80 year old to steal a bag when all they have to do is take it. The killing is completely unnecessary and shows cruelty. And same thing here, the article is designed to show how cruel Russian soldiers are who doesnt even leave 80 year olds alone.

That’s my interpretation.

Otherwise yes, of course young women are raped much more then 80 year old wimen. That’s why it’s considered extra cruel, and that’s why they are pointing it out.

snooggums,
@snooggums@kbin.social avatar

It reinforces that the rapes are done for the terror factor of victims beyond those that are raped and not because the soldiers are horny or whatever other stupid excuse.

ParsnipWitch,
@ParsnipWitch@feddit.de avatar

I also find that odd. It makes it almost seem as if raping elderly women is something that requires extra mention. So that nobody assumes that we are talking about the “normal”, “understandable” rape of younger women. It’s seriously fucked up.

Astroturfed,

I think almost any crime against the elderly or children is generally viewed as worse, with good reason. They’re generally more helpless and less able to fight back/run away.

Burn_The_Right, to ukraine in Russian troops raped women as old as 83 while their families were forced to listen

Jesus. How is torture and rape as widespread and prominent as it is in this war? This is not normal.

What does this say about Russian people that such a high percentage of their armed forces are so perverted, sadistic and vile?

glimpseintotheshit,

Doesn’t make it any better but rape was always a part of pretty much any war in human history

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wartime_sexual_violence

I think it’s just that we hear a lot more about individual cases in the social media age, but correct me if i’m wrong…

DragonTypeWyvern,

It might just be the last 150 years that humans have tried to sanitize war but the behavior of Russia is notably awful even by medieval standards.

echodot,

Historically war basically consisted of everyone getting together in a big field and having a large fight. People who lived all of half a mile away could just get on with their lives as long as they didn’t go near the war field.

lol3droflxp,
@lol3droflxp@kbin.social avatar

It’s something that happens when you give people weapons and let them loose in another country knowing there is little oversight or consequences. Just allows the bad guys to finally do what they want. The “regular people” contain an underestimated amount of assholes.

yemmly,

Russia

1984,
@1984@lemmy.today avatar

It’s normal for war situations. The kind of people who become soldiers are almost always open for raping other people when given the chance. If you read about other wars, rape is always very common.

They are programmed into believing that the other country is evil, so that justifies their actions in their own minds.

Soldiers are lost souls.

Astroturfed, (edited )

Russia has always used state sponsored terror tactics and humanities violations. Just go read up on the way they treated people in their way to Berlin in WW2. It’s horrifying. Raping children to death in front of their families is just standard operating procedure for the Russian army and that never stopped being true.

Now, they’ve used another time honored Russian strategy. They emptied the prisons/gulags to flesh out their front line. Which just feeds into the depravity of the troops who are well known for this kind of behavior already.

SpiritedTaco, to ukraine in Russian troops raped women as old as 83 while their families were forced to listen

The world will neither forget nor forgive what stupid Russia is doing.

IHaveTwoCows, to ukraine in Russian troops raped women as old as 83 while their families were forced to listen

Yay Ukraine and fuck putin, but after enduring years of similar stories used as pro-Iraq invasion propaganda, I am leery of any such headline coming from a site like BI

style99, to news in 70 House Republicans voted to cut off all US military aid to Ukraine
@style99@kbin.social avatar

Matt Gaetz loves Russia so much, he should be deported there.

Wookie_the_Ewok, to worldnews in 70 House Republicans voted to cut off all US military aid to Ukraine

Serious question…Why are these Republicans so pro-Russia? I don’t get it.

downdaemon,
@downdaemon@lemmy.ml avatar

What about Russia would they dislike?

ImFresh3x,

Own the libs

zephyrvs,

Because they think it’s a stupid proxy war that doesn’t serve the US (because it strengthens BRICS which hurts the Petro Dollar) and that US support for Ukraine is a ploy to ensure that supposed US funded biolabs (that are pretty much confirmed to exist, afaik) aren’t uncovered, because Joe and Hunter Biden are likely to be involved in them via the company Metabiota.

I’m as irritated as everyone else because it’s usually not the Republicans to be the sane ones but it seems the Democrats are even more corrupt nowadays. The FBI is actively trying to suppress evidence of bribery of a sitting President and it’s even denying answering Congress (or Senate? Not 100% sure which one, I’m not an American) inquiries.

The world has gone mad.

TotallynotJessica,

Wow. Everything you just said was wrong. This war has empowered NATO and the US more than every action taken by the US in the last 20 years combined. The biolabs theory is a joke as is the idea that a republican FBI director appointed by Trump would protect Biden. I always hear about how non Americans have a better perspective on US news, but deluded misinfo like this makes me believe that idea is bullshit.

zephyrvs, (edited )

There’s been lots of mainstream reporting on the corruption allegations and the Senate/Congress hearing where the FBI chief kept on repeating the same evasive non-answers I mentioned were livestreamed. Can provide some sources once I’m back at home, though, if requested.

I’m usually not in a debating mood when people just start calling me a liar though. I’m not even in favor of republicans/centrists and I consider myself an anarchist more than anything else so I’m not really into partisanship here. 🤷‍♂️

I’m perfectly fine with people having different opinions and arriving at different conclusions but just calling me a liar when I can back up my claims is no good style.

rusticus1773,

Key concept: ignore allegations and only follow convictions. Then you’ll see most accusations are bullshit/projection from those committing the crimes. Hint: nearly all true convictions/guilty pleas are from the R side.

TotallynotJessica,

I never said you were a liar. I just said you were wrong.

socsa,

This is your brain on lead dust.

explodicle,

It hurts the petro dollar? Oh no!

vd1n,

Republicans and Democrats are both part of a disfunction machine.

And alot of people are naive to how raw and evil life can be.

I lean left more than right but I don’t want to support either side. It’s all power games and greed… Just look at BLM (the organization not the idea) and maga. They are great examples. Both corrupted organizations.

We shouldn’t be picking sides anymore… We should be living to our independent potential but we never will because both sides take soul as a trade for an idea of false security in a world where no man or organization can control universal law but they keep killing to try to.

socsa,

Because they envy Putin’s oligarchy and the nationalism of the Russian population which makes them easy to control.

Make no mistake - these people want Gilead more than anything. I mean they literally keep saying it over and over again. They are domestic terrorists and enemies of the west. And everyone is going to pretend like this is a “difference of opinion” until it is too late.

vd1n, (edited )

Money. There’s no way Russia/rich people/criminals aren’t playing with these people. My conspiracy is that these people are so dumb they don’t know that they are being used or they are just really narcissistic.

Edited…

jackpot,
@jackpot@lemmy.ml avatar

hold on what are you on about this is so vague, are you saying theres vast criminal networks in yiur hometown hiding in plain sight? im so confused

quark,
@quark@startrek.website avatar

Luckily

Yeah, I wanna hear more about this!

boy,

They’re probably just not getting a piece of all that laundered money from the US defense contractors

AlbigensianGhoul,
@AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml avatar

Ever since Trump they’ve taken a strange faux “anti-interventionism” isolationist perspective. This is why they have pulled back from Afghanistan, tried to ease tensions with Russia and generally focused on their “American jobs” rhetoric. It is obviously not applied consistently, like anything in the United States since the preamble to the declaration of independence saying “We hold this truths to be self evident that all men are created equal”, but this is somewhat consistent with their newer Dovish and isolationist insistence of avoiding getting tangled into conflicts abroad. Ironically for all his racist base and his constant hawkish and white supremacist rhetoric, Trump is one of the few modern Presidents to not have started any significant military intervention abroad. They have however also done a heck of a job making life as a minority in the USA way worse and wasted a ton of potential with the trade war on China and also the atrocity of giving moral/covert support to fascists abroad.

kingthrillgore, to worldnews in 70 House Republicans voted to cut off all US military aid to Ukraine
@kingthrillgore@kbin.social avatar

70 people admit they should be investigated for high treason

agarorn,

So you believe that Ukraine is a puppet state of the US?

lemmyshmemmy,

What a shit take

133arc585,
@133arc585@lemmy.ml avatar

It follows rather directly. For it to be high treason to be against sending more military resources to Ukraine would mean that either the representatives are members of the Ukrainian government or, as was implied here, that Ukraine is a puppet state.

It’s not high treason against the USA to be against the USA sending military resources to another country. You can only commit high treason against your own country.

McBinary,
@McBinary@kbin.social avatar

You're willfully dancing around the actual point OP is making. You can't be a grown adult and think this concretely without doing so in bad faith.

The point is that opposing this is directly showing support for Russia...

133arc585,
@133arc585@lemmy.ml avatar

The point is that opposing this is directly showing support for Russia…

Which guess what: isn’t high treason. If you’ll notice, I havent offered my opinion here or participated elsewhere in the thread.

I was simply pointing out that using the term “high treason” here is rather silly and nonfactual.

socsa,

So you aren’t making any argument at all, and are just saying “everyone look at my bold linguistic castle. It is very cromulent.”

Pacifist,

You should probably shut your stupid fucking mouth.

VediusPollio,
@VediusPollio@lemmy.world avatar

Quit acting like the average Redditor, and just be civil and disagree.

klieg2323,
@klieg2323@lemmy.piperservers.net avatar

Jesus Christ, not the kind of comment I’d expect from a pacifist. You come off real mature

agarorn,

The guy before me used the word treason. How do you interpret that?

Pelicanen,

As serving Russian interests, what kind of connection do they have to the Russian state if they so brazenly vote for the wishes of Putin?

agarorn,

That is a new definition of treason for me, but okay call it what you want.

Is a cooperation on space travel also treason?

Pelicanen,

That’s a false equivalence, this isn’t exactly cooperation towards a mutually beneficial goal, this is just trying to reduce support for a country which by sheer coincidence is an enemy of Putin.

lobut,

What a psychotic statement.

kingthrillgore,
@kingthrillgore@kbin.social avatar

Wow. Where the hell did you get that idea?

agarorn,

You say that US citizens (the republican politicians) who do not support Ukraine should be trialed for treason. This implies that Ukraine is a part of the US, doesn’t it?

Pacifist,

Womp womp go fuck yourself.

krolden,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

your name is pacifist but you support sending weapons of death and destruction into a conflict where they will be used to kill people? they’re sending fucking clusterbombs dude what is it going to take to convince you people this is not a good thing?

haohao,

Hey, Ukrainian here. Try to convince me that it’s a bad thing. Russians shelling Ukrainian cities with cluster munitions is okay, but Ukraine fighting back is bad? Russia brought all the deaths and destruction, not Ukraine, or “the west”.

krolden,
@krolden@lemmy.ml avatar

Enjoy your clusterbombs

haohao,

At least they have ~3% fail rate and will be used against military targets vs russian 30-40% fail rate and used in the cities

AlbigensianGhoul,
@AlbigensianGhoul@lemmygrad.ml avatar

How is it treasonous to cut support for a foreign country, exactly?

Relo, to worldnews in 70 House Republicans voted to cut off all US military aid to Ukraine

Is that Jack Nicholson?

DarkWasp, to worldnews in 70 House Republicans voted to cut off all US military aid to Ukraine
@DarkWasp@lemmy.world avatar

Too many of them are beholden to Russia and its interests and have been for some time. Not only that, but also just doing the opposite of whatever Democrats support which isn’t constructive at all.

Raphael,
@Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

Republican policies boil down to

  • Opposing “the commies”;
  • Guns.

Wait. How did they end up in bed with Russia?

jeffw,

You forgot “anti-woke”

Raphael,
@Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

But I said opposing th—

AH, you’re right.

Dardlem,

Oh man they are definitely on the same wave with Russian government on this one. Just yesterday Russia banned all and any gender transition therapy/surgery. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone particular started pushing for similar stuff in the US.

TubeTalkerX,

Money.

socsa,

The “opposing the commies” bit used to be an anti-authoritarian stance. But now republicans have openly embraced autocracy as political language. It makes perfect sense from that angle.

Duamerthrax,

Russia isn’t communist.

j4k3,
@j4k3@lemmy.world avatar

Sure it is constructive. The billionaires’ main goal is to DDos the system and limit time and resources devoted to legitimate legislation. The goal is to keep the US extremely under legislated so their corrupt loopholes stay open. The nonsense is irrelevant. The time it takes to deal with the nonsense is all that maters.

crowsby, to worldnews in 70 House Republicans voted to cut off all US military aid to Ukraine
@crowsby@kbin.social avatar

For reference, that's 31.5% of all House Republicans. Another way to see it is that 68.5% of House Republicans, which are generally the most extreme breed of Republican, are supportive of US military aid to Ukraine. I'm pleasantly surprised to find support for Ukraine remaining that high.

socsa,

And in early 2015, what percentage of Republicans openly supported Trump? How many of them voted to impeach him? How many of them voted to impeach the second time?

Make no mistake - this is extremely alarming and you should wake up. I legitimately can’t believe I even have to type this comment out. We are so fucked.

PowerCrazy,

There should be zero US dollars spent on Ukraine and Israel as long as homelessness and healthcare are still a problem in the US. The fact that I even have to remind people of this problem is alarming.

Nesuniken,

Lol, you have to be gullible to think the conservative politicians actually cares about balancing the budget. If we cut off Ukraine they’ll just go back to their old excuses for screwing over poor people.

boonhet,

Homelessness and healthcare aren’t stuck behind money in any way. There’s no need to even reduce the military budget or Ukraine donations to make them happen. It’s just that nobody but the poor people wants them solved. Everyone involved profits from it.

There are way more empty residential properties in the US than homeless people. The inefficiency of the current healthcare system is so bad, the US government spends a bigger part of the GDP on healthcare than many countries with universal healthcare - and that doesn’t even include private spending.

But you know what? Doctors in the US can make about 10x as much as doctors in my eastern-european country with socialized medicine while the difference in median salaries between the two countries is barely 3x. People will tell you it’s just insurance companies profiting off the system while everyone else suffers, but it’s also doctors, nurses and the ultra-greedy hospital administrators. Property owners in the US have been enjoying huge value appreciation for a long time. Did you know that some 65% of Americans own a home? All of those people are profiting off the unaffordable housing market, some more than others.

Flaky_Fish69, to news in 70 House Republicans voted to cut off all US military aid to Ukraine
@Flaky_Fish69@kbin.social avatar

I wonder if the FBI would be interested in a list of Us Representatives that are receiving bribes from foreign powers.

I got a list!

Fonchote,

My thoughts exactly, these guys have been bought by Russia.

TheDeadGuy,
@TheDeadGuy@kbin.social avatar

Unfortunately the FBI is not the beacon of trust either these days

Ganondorf,
@Ganondorf@kbin.social avatar

Under the current leadership too? Obviously James Comey helped sway a democratic election in favor of an authoritarian sociopath, but I've not heard of any post-Comey scandals worth noting. I don't like the surveillance state the US has frustratingly subscribed too, but technically the FBI is not breaking the law by snooping on citizens (not advocating for forgiveness, just being factual).

Deft,

FBI is classically Republican aligned

oversized_hoodie,

What's disappointing is that the US Military Industrial Complex can't be bothered to outspend Russia on this, even though allllll that aid goes into their pockets.

Fontasia, to worldnews in 70 House Republicans voted to cut off all US military aid to Ukraine

Remember when a certain senator stood before the house with two blank pieces of paper and said most democrats supported Russia?

JoeyJoJoJuniour,

Remember when a certain republican said that Russia was the biggest geopolitical threat facing America and all the Democrats laughed at him?

zephyrvs,

Have you seen that video where Xi Jinping and Putin shake hands and basically announce that they intend to upend the existing global order, meaning US “rules based” hegemony?

Russia itself isn’t a threat but so far it’s brought together China, Iran and parts of Africa that are done with US colonization and living under the US’ boot.

Duamerthrax,

China has its own imperial ambitions in Africa. There’s no good super power, but at the end of the day, Russia was the one that invaded Ukraine. No amount of RT propaganda will change that.

zephyrvs,

Of course they do. Just because I’m critical of the West I’m not automatically in favor of other autocratic regimes. But it’s been a long time since I’ve seen that many African leaders standing up to their Western oppressors and that wouldn’t happen if the Chinese/Russians and their deals would be as terrible for Africans as the Western ones. They’re openly challenging the West right now and it’s about time that happened.

I trust that China/Russia are more trustworthy in terms of letting other countries decide their own fate without engaging in regime change/color revolution style interference just based on historical precedence so far.

Duamerthrax,

Ask Taiwan or Ukraine if they think their neighbors respect them.

What’s good for the EU is an autonomous Ukraine that keeps growing the grain they buy. What’s good for Ukraine is their autonomy.

Raphael, to worldnews in 70 House Republicans voted to cut off all US military aid to Ukraine
@Raphael@lemmy.world avatar

I can’t tell which is which anymore.

Just kiddin’, I know what is happening. Republicans are losing control over their own party, this is good news for the next president election, the world is doomed if anyone like deSantis ends up becoming emperor.

bloodfart,

Lol at u hidin your power level itt.

Count042,

I never understood the democrats who want DeSantis to win the republican primary.

Trump is a con man trying to be a fascist. Not good, very bad, but also not an actual fascist.

Ron is a straight up fascist that has no problem with torturing people with his own hands.

LifeInMultipleChoice,

I want neither. I also want different democrats as well, but this will be another election of shit vs crap again by the early looks of it.

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