I will test this tonight. Finally mint will have hardware support for my laptop with high kernel version. I will see if kernel patch for proprietary stuff also works.
That’s correct they released it around the time so the Amazon stuff happened if I remember right. Since debian 12 has been so popular and with flatpak and distro box gaining popularity, there’s been a big call for lmde to become the focus.
It’s ancient history. Around 10 years ago, Ubuntu shipped with a desktop search plugin (activated by default) that sent everything you typed into your desktop search field to Amazon and showed you related products.
It was when I turned my back on Ubuntu for good.
Not directly because of that “feature” which could be uninstalled with a one-liner, but because it showed that Canonical’s view of their distro is very different from mine.
Was wondering when this would land. I’ve been considering returning to Debian full force but after running Mint for some years some bad habits linger. Maybe LMDE can prove to be a good middle of the way.
For those who tried: how does LMDE behaves when loading any other DE not Cinnamon?
I’ve seen some reviews where LMDE being the backup plan for Mint, Cinnamon was the only priority; if that is to change, great. I’m hoping to move to XFCE again.
I was always a GNOME guy. Not sure why really, maybe it was the state of KDE3 vs GNOME2. Never really looked at KDE again and assumed there is a reason all the popular distros pick GNOME. then 3 years ago I tried KED, and was blown away. Now I’ve completely flipped my position on it.
Gnome provides a more consistent user experience because Gnome apps usually have fewer features and don't offer many customization options by default. KDE apps usually have a lot of settings and customization options, but the user interface might be a little less intuitive or you may have to search in a settings menu to find what you're looking for.
In my experience Gnome is pretty, intuitive, and well integrated, but I tend to settle on KDE Plasma because KDE apps often have more advanced functionality and more options for configuration. If you're the type who likes to explore device/app settings to configure things exactly how you want, then consider KDE Plasma. If you'd rather have a minimal but consistent experience out-of-the-box without any tinkering then Gnome is probably the better choice for you.
For me, Plasma is awesome but I can usually find some bugs in a few days of using it. Gnome is usually rock solid, although there has been times when it also has been buggy.
I switch back and forth a lot and it adds to the fun I think.
I use KDE on a RHEL system via epel and it’s been pretty rock solid. I’m not the type to update very often, but it’s been stable for the year I’ve been running it.
Honestly for me it’s very subjective. With GNOME, I need to install and configure a lot of extensions to get it to work the way I like. I was surprised how many of these small tweaks and features are already part of KDE. Out of the box it’s a lot closer to what I want and the rest of the small customizations I want are just right there in KDE as options.
With GNOME extensions I always have to wonder “which crappy extension broke now, and what is the new one everyone is moving to/how to fix it”.
Just generally a lot less headache for me. I also could swear it’s more performant and generally feels snappier, but it’s so hard to tell on modern fast hardware anyway.
And it look until like 5.14/5.15/5.16 for Plasma 5 to finally be stable enough IMO.
The memes of Plasma being unstable and buggy were very real.
Comparing the first Plasma 5 release to 5.27 would be night and day, it went from being straight up unusable trash to a competent, powerful, mostly stable experience. Such a massive improvement.
I’m glad they’ve postponed Plasma 6 again so they can get things right. Plasma being buggy for so long is what caused Gnome to supplant them in the first place, they’re right to try to shake that image.
not just that, the Just Perfection dev argued that they (extension devs) much rather have that instead of an API because the API wouldn’t be as flexible/free
I’ve been using GNOME on Wayland for over 5 years and I can’t recall it ever crashing. Hangs and freezes, yes, but not a full crash. I guess the fact that users feel the need to track “crash recovery” as a feature is indicative of KDE’s stability.
I’ve been on Gnome for few a months now, and have already had plenty episodes of it freezing, or crashing, or not coming back out of sleep, or dropping to the login screen with all my programs gone.
That’s really odd. I have been using it for like 3 years so far and I haven’t had many problems like those, and when I did they were intel/amd gpu driver bugs/crashes or kdenlive as I mentioned before.
KDE is nowhere near as bad as it used to be for bugs and instability.
Don’t get me wrong, IMO Gnome is still substantially more stable and bug-free, but you’d be surprised how much more stable Plasma has become over the past year.
And unlike with Plasma 4 and early Plasma 5, for Plasma 6 KDE actually seems to want to have it be a fairly stable system on release. They’re moving in the right direction.
KDE was not even properly functional and very buggy for me when I installed it to try on a vanilla Debian last month. GNOME on the other hand was smooth, not hogging 70% CPU, and was zipping.
How is it’s compatibility with Word and Excel now a days? Is it as good as OnlyOffice? I use OnlyOffice because of it’s compatibility and it has worked flawlessly. I am totally down to try LibreOffice again.
I haven't done much with Excel and Word these days, but I have not had a single issue opening standard documents. The PDF import capabilities for LibreDraw work reasonably well. Many MANY years ago I fiddled with OpenOffice and then LibreOffice before moving to Office365 for a while.
Now I'm back to LibreOffice for the past 5+ years and haven't had any complaints
I recently (two months ago) had to work with an Excel sheet which worked on OnlyOffice but not LibreOffice. So compatibility seems to still not be on par.
Perhaps I am not interacting with the most complicated documents but I both consume a fair number of docs I get from work and create docs that I share with others. I have never had a complaint about the docs I create and do not perceive there to be problems with the docs I consume.
What I produce myself is mostly presentations. Other than having to be careful with fonts, they have not been an issue.
The spreadsheets I generate are really simplistic ( in terms of feature use - the math itself may be sophisticated ). I receive some that are a bit more complicated. As I said, I do not perceive issues with them but they could have formatting errors that I do not notice.
Same with Word docs. I used to create more of these and there were occasional formatting glitches but it has been a couple of years since I have authored anything complicated. My intuition is that text documents with a lot of formatting and embedded content are likely to be the most problematic, especially if tracking changes.
Make sure you install the fonts that others are going to use and only use fonts that they are going to have. That is probably the biggest gotcha.
Put it this way, I have Office 365 which I could use on Linux but I use LibreOffice instead. I use O365 mostly for Outlook and Teams ( with a bit of One Drive ).
telemetry as a whole isn’t bad. it depends what they are collecting. companies should provide a log of the (raw) telemetry data they’ve collected from you. if they’re not comfortable sharing it it’s probably too invasive.
I understand the fear of the word “telemetry” thanks to MS, google and others… But it is not all bad. If they show me what they collect, I’m ok with that. Good and honest telemetry is good actually.
It seems like it. But for me, it’s also about the fact that it was offered by RedHat engineers, almost as if saying “Let’s not forget we have some control over Fedora, whether you like it or not”. And there’s other small issues such as the (in my opinion) terrible Anaconda installer still being used over Calamares, among other issues. The BEST thing that Fedora has done and that ALL self-respecting user-friendly distros MUST do is offer their version of the Fedora USB Tool (I think it was called Fedora USB Writer or something like that).
The Anaconda redesign has been on the works since Fedora 36, it’s bound to come as the default for Fedora Workstation 39. Also, you couldn’t be more wrong about the telemetry proposal even if you tried. The people that work at RedHat aren’t this idea of the EvIL REd HaT HiGhER UpS that you have in your mind. They are contributors just like any other volunteer in the project.
Aight, I actually don’t know a lot about it, but I guess something that looks like an answer is better than none. So without further a due.
First of all, Nitrux is quite unique, so I won’t be able to do it justice regardless. However, I’d say that it being an ‘immutable’ distro with OpenRC and focusing on AppImage (over Flatpak/Snap) is the primary one. It’s important to note that Nitrux’ model doesn’t allow you to install .deb packages natively at all. So in that regard, it’s one of the less flexible among its ‘immutable’ siblings. It does offer great support for Distrobox, so you can install your debs, rpms and from the AUR etc if you so desire within a container instead; you can even install other desktop environments with this. Waydroid works. AppArmor is configured. KDE Plasma looks fantastic on Nitrux, but they offer even more spice through their Maui Shell.
While I wouldn’t switch to it (I’m not the target audience, I have very specific needs and workflow, currently only truly accomplished on NixOS), this is one of the worthwhile projects, it seems. A lot of distros are just Debian, Ubuntu or something else with a DE slapped on top, some customisations and Calamares, but this has something more to offer, and I respect that. OpenRC, focus on AppImage, and to a lesser extent immutability, are very rare, so it’s good to have a system that offers these. I think this has some compelling selling points, for example it’s the only non-systemd immutable distro I know of, and it’s also the only distro I know of that’s pushing AppImages. We need such uniqueness, and it should be mentioned more often, and should be celebrated.
Seems like an interesting concept I appreciate the explanation! I like the idea of an immutable OS. I tried vanilla os but I had some coding projects that relied on my GPU and distrobox just wouldn’t give it access. Love the idea of an immutable distro but I’ll wait for this to mature and see how Vanilla does when it moves to Debian.
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