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NeoNachtwaechter, to linux in TUXEDO Announces Nano Pro Gen12 Mini Linux PC Powered by AMD Ryzen 7000U

Fairly reasonable specs, but they are phantasizing of ridiculously high prices.

h3ndrik,

FYI: 849 EUR (~$910 USD) incl 19% tax for the basic configuration with AMD Ryzen 5 7535U, 8GB RAM, and 500GB SSD storage.

MyNameIsRichard,
@MyNameIsRichard@lemmy.ml avatar

Eye-watering

atlasraven31,

You could get an Odroid H3+ for a lot cheaper.

h3ndrik, (edited )

And the specs would be ridiculously different.

I’d say you need to buy at least 4 of the Odroids and run them in parallel to compete with the performance of that ryzen.

sxan,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

You can get a Ryzen 7 mini PC on Amazon for $360. With Windows, but Linux runs fine on it.

The one I linked has a WiFi/BT card that I could not get running, but the Ryzen 5 version worked OOTB no issues.

I know you were only replying to the comment above about ODroid, and I agree with what you said. I also have several ODroids, and I have learned to dislike Linux on ARM. I have one U3 that will not power on, at the moment, so I’m a bit sour on ODroids.

Given the existence of the Trigkey offerings, what justifies the $900 price on the OP machine, do you think?

h3ndrik,

That Odroid has an Intel processor, so no Arm. But I have no issues with that. I ran a few single board computers that were okay (except for the gpu).

I don’t think the price is entirely justified. Maybe you pay for the name and support a local company. And it’s better integrated than on some cheap stuff from China. Idk.

Thanks for the link. But I’d have to pay an additional $85 for taxes/duties and shipping. And at this point I think I’d pay the difference to get one with the current generation of ryzen processors which have way better graphics and DDR5 RAM. This mini pc claims to have all that, 32GB RAM and 1TB SSD at a price tag of 519€.

sxan,
@sxan@midwest.social avatar

Huh. Maybe I have the model wrong; I’ve had it for several years. I’ll have to pop the case tomorrow and check. In any case:


<span style="color:#323232;">gurthang ~ % uname -a
</span><span style="color:#323232;">Linux gurthang 3.8.13.28 #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Dec 3 18:40:50 BRST 2014 armv7l armv7l armv7l GNU/Linux
</span>

whichever model it is, it’s definitely ARM. I bought two at the same time for a home automation project, and one had since kicked the bucket.

Re VAT: oof. I got 64GB RAM for mine for only a little more than your taxes. That’s rough. Good luck, whatever you choose.

h3ndrik,

I have no clue. I just typed in the name into google. Maybe it showed me the wrong specs. My numbers would be off then but I don’t really care because I don’t want to buy one be that as it may.

Hehe. Yeah thanks for the link anyway. I can find the same or a similar product on Amazon Germany and it will be significantly cheaper.

I just haven’t decided yet if I want a mini pc in the first place. I always wanted one of those Ryzen 7000 in my laptop. I could use that money and have it contribute to one of those current framework laptops.

EddyBot,

Odroid has both ARM and Intel boards in their lineup

3laws, (edited )

$799.00 USD gets you the Mac mini with the same (maybe faster?) RAM and (slightly faster) SSD.

And it very comfortably beats the 7535U while consuming less energy & staying cooler.

Definitely a deal breaker [M2 Mac mini] for Windows x86 dependant workflows; not so much for Linux users tho.

I think AMD is the only one with a real chance at matching and maybe beating Apple in the mini PC space, but pricing and architectural differences still make it really challenging.

h3ndrik, (edited )

Yeah. I saw the Mac mini in a store not long ago. I don’t know about the state of Linux support for the M2 platform. I somewhat dislike Apple for nowadays soldering everything and making things so they can’t be updated or repaired. And they take a crazy amount of extra money to put in a proper amount of RAM and storage. Like Apple’s price explodes from 700€ to ~2000€ once I put in 24GB of RAM and a 2TB SSD.

phar,

You can get the same specs as the machine in OP’s post from Beelink for $480 on Amazon, so I’m not sure I would use his post as a good basis.

stuner,

I agree that the Tuxedo Nano Pro is very expensive, but the Mac Mini is much more expensive. When you look at the comparable, German prices, it looks like this:

  • 8GB/512GB: 849€ vs 929€
  • 16GB/1TB: 924€ vs 1389€
  • 32GB/2TB: 1044€ vs 2079€ (24 GB only)

The minimum config prices from Apple look quite good, but they fleece you for the RAM and SSD capacity. And of course you can’t upgrade them on your own. And of course the Mac Mini doesn’t support Linux (maybe Asahi Linux will get there in a few years, but Apple certainly isn’t helping).

3laws,

Yes, price goes off the roof for upgrads, buts it’s Apple, they’re literally known for scalping their own user base since the 80’s. Nothing has changed.

Mac mini will never support Linux; is the other way around. Asahi is bootable.

palarith,
GlitzyArmrest,
@GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world avatar

Lmao, this is exactly it.

cmnybo,

That’s a lot of extra money for support and a logo.

Of course the ones on Newegg are barebone, but 32GB of RAM and a 1TB SSD will only bring that price up to around $700 USD for the Ryzen 7.

WindowsEnjoyer, to linux in HP Linux Imaging and Printing Drivers Now Support Fedora 38 and Ubuntu 23.04

It’s all good and great, but if you find yourself a need to do anything with printing and hp - you are doing something wrong. Reconsider your life choices… 😅

obinice, to linux in HP Linux Imaging and Printing Drivers Now Support Fedora 38 and Ubuntu 23.04
@obinice@lemmy.world avatar

Which body part do I have to give to HP to be allowed to print these days? xD

nightwatch_admin, to linux in HP Linux Imaging and Printing Drivers Now Support Fedora 38 and Ubuntu 23.04

Finally, a chance for Linux users to pay for HP’s evil incarnate printer subscription. Nvidia ogling suspiciously in the corner

NateNate60, to linux in HP Linux Imaging and Printing Drivers Now Support Fedora 38 and Ubuntu 23.04

Although I don’t own and never will own an HP printer, I’ve found that I’ve never had to install printer drivers on Linux. Sometimes the printer is not automatically found or it gets forgotten and needs to be re-added, but other than that it really requires no setup at all. I’m not sure if this experience is common.

Static_Rocket,
@Static_Rocket@lemmy.world avatar

Only true if the printer supports IPP Everywhere or one of the offshoots. Otherwise you need drivers. Sometimes you still need drivers for ink level reporting (glaring at the HP printer in the corner of my room).

ace,
@ace@lemmy.ananace.dev avatar

I’ve had to grab PPDs for the printer system at work, but generally nowadays printers do tend to work with the default system.

pearsche, to linux in Linus Torvalds Announces First Linux Kernel 6.6 Release Candidate

EEVDF is the thing that is exciting about it.

pgp, to linux in Fedora Linux 40 to Offer the KDE Plasma 6 Desktop on Wayland and Drop X11 Session

Now do cinnamon!

GenBlob,

I wish. Even xfce will get wayland support before they do.

Four_lights77, to linux in Fedora Linux 40 to Offer the KDE Plasma 6 Desktop on Wayland and Drop X11 Session

As a newly converted Fedora user, has this x11 been an issue or is this simply an aesthetics/preference thing?

Certainity45,

No. X11 has been around since 1980’s and it’s basicly a puzzle of chewing gums glued together. It’s not been in development for years now.

Wayland is much less code but the end result is still much better. Wayland is the future.

In case you didn’t know, they’re display compositors. Backends of the graphics.

Four_lights77,

Ok cool- sounds like a good move. Thanks for the explanation.

Infiltrated_ad8271, (edited )
@Infiltrated_ad8271@kbin.social avatar

Not really, wayland still has quite a few incompatibilities, lacks and bugs. X11 is still useful for many and indispensable for some.

Wayland is the future and X11 will have to die sooner rather than later, but not today.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

I’m on fedora and Wayland kde breaks so often it’s unusable

banazir,
@banazir@lemmy.ml avatar

This has not been my experience at all. A few crashes in a year or so of use. Apparently experiences vary.

andruid,

My current KDE Wayland exp is also no great, but I have an older Nvidia GPU too.

russjr08,
@russjr08@outpost.zeuslink.net avatar

Unfortunately it’s not really all that great on newer Nvidia GPUs either.

myersguy,

Can you explain what “breaks” you are experiencing?

I’m running Fedora/KDE/Wayland on two machines here, and the only oddity I get regularly is on my system with one monitor in landscape and one in portrait. Sometimes half of the landscape screen seems to be funky until I turn the portrait monitor off and on again (almost like it is trying to put the two displays on one for some reason). Most everything else has been flawless.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

The panel freezes after a short time using it. I can’t play a lot of my games because the mouse doesn’t work when it opens. The monitor position always changes but that happens on x11 as well.

penquin,

Running Wayland/kde on endeavourOS here. It has gotten so much better in the last couple of updates. I used to have stutters and just random plasmashell carshes. Those are gone now. Only major annoyance I still have now is some apps are still blurry, which is not Wayland’s fault of course, and sddm when I wake the machine from suspend always turns into a black screen with a warning that the session is locked and I need to unlock it with ctrl-alt-F and run loginctl-unlock-session 9 (or some random number). Id do that and it unlocks. It’s so weird, and not a big deal, but kind of annoying.

lauha,

My kde wayland with amd graphics has been perfectly stable.

Fizz,
@Fizz@lemmy.nz avatar

I’m unfortunately stuck on Nvidia until I can find a swap for my 2070s

caseyweederman,

Future yes.
Present no.

wim,

What makes you say that? I’ve been using Wayland for a few years now with 0 issues.

The only thing I miss and switch to Xorg for is screen sharing in video calls.

loutr,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

Screen sharing works fine under GNOME, haven’t tried with another DE/WM.

caseyweederman,

Not in Gnome on Wayland it doesn’t. I had to knock it back down to Xorg.

loutr,
@loutr@sh.itjust.works avatar

I meant on Wayland. It works on my computer^^TM under Firefox, Chromium and electron apps.

caseyweederman,

Yes. Screensharing on Gnome on Wayland on Debian on Linux on GNU on AMD on my laptop’s motherboard on my desk did not work for me.

histic,

screenshare works on Wayland though?

ipacialsection,
@ipacialsection@startrek.website avatar

Yes and no. X11 is the old window system for Linux (and most Unixes), but it was very much not designed with security in mind, and has become difficult to maintain to the point that the only new updates made to it are to help with Wayland backwards-compatibility. Wayland is its de facto successor, and most new Linux desktop development is based on Wayland rather than X11.

LeFantome,

It really depends if you are using GNOME or KDE ( or something else ).

GNOME in Fedora defaults to Wayland already I believe. In Plasma 6, due to first ship in Fedora 40, support for Wayland will be complete. That is why they are targeting the switch for then.

Plasma 6 is KDE using the Qt6 GUI toolkit so the KDE in Fedora 40 will be quite different from the KDE in Fedora 38 today. Today, KDE is built with the Qt5 toolkit and only partially supports Wayland.

GNOME is built with a GUI toolkit called GTK. The current version is GTK4 and that will still be the version used in Fedora 40. GTK has supported Wayland since GTK3.

vort3, to linux in LibreOffice 7.6.1 Is Now Available for Download with More Than 120 Fixes
@vort3@lemmy.ml avatar

Did they fix the page numbers not being properly right aligned in ToC?

EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted, (edited ) to linux in LibreOffice 7.6.1 Is Now Available for Download with More Than 120 Fixes

Hey, all the bug fixes in the world is great, but honestly? Just give me a proper dark mode. That’s genuinely all I want at the moment. MS Office has had proper dark mode for years.

And yes I say proper dark mode because although it has dark mode it is absolute shit. The “paper” is still blazing white; meanwhile, in MS Office it is a pleasant grey so you can still differentiate it from the background while maintaining the dark mode as a dark mode.


Edit: Evidently, I was wrong. It does support it. Clearly I either was doing it wrong and/or was misunderstanding it. Sorry for the falsehood!

penquin, (edited )

EDIT: So, apparently it does have a proper dark mode that I didn’t know about. My apologies. Oooof, we can only dream. That sunny white paper blinding you in the dark mode is a major turn off. I still use it, though. I appreciate the rest of the suit for sure.

somedaysoon, (edited )
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

Seeing so much misinformation upvoted on lemmy the last couple weeks. It’s a shame, there was a brief moment of time when I could trust comments here, but unfortunately that time passed by rather quickly.

debugpoint.com/how-to-enable-dark-mode-libreoffic…

Edit: Removed AMP link for the direct link as pointed out to me in a reply below.

10EXP,

Same link without AMP in case someone wants it: debugpoint.com/how-to-enable-dark-mode-libreoffic…

Basically, go into Application Colors in Settings and set the colour scheme there.

somedaysoon,
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

Thank you, didn’t realize I copied an AMP link.

slampisko,

I wouldn’t be so negative. The first thing I saw after reading the parent comment was a reply refuting it, with a screenshot of the dark mode. I think that’s pretty good

somedaysoon, (edited )
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar

The first thing I saw after reading the parent comment was a reply refuting it, with a screenshot of the dark mode. I think that’s pretty good

Yeah, but that was also me providing that screenshot… it originally had 20 upvotes and no downvotes and was the top comment by far. No one questioned it before I posted the screenshot and the comment you replied on. I don’t even use Libre Office but immediately thought, “that can not be correct,” then I installed it to take that screenshot, so I think I can be a little frustrated and annoyed over this kind of misinformation. Because if I had just taken that comment and all the upvotes as the truth, then I would be dissuaded to use it in the future, and that would be based on completely wrong information. And that’s bullshit.

somedaysoon, (edited )
@somedaysoon@lemmy.world avatar
EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted,

Oh shit seriously. Clearly I either did it wrong or misunderstood. Whoops! Thanks for enlightening me!

skullgiver, (edited )
@skullgiver@popplesburger.hilciferous.nl avatar

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  • EveryMuffinIsNowEncrypted,

    Clearly I misunderstood. Sorry!

    harsh3466, to linux in LibreOffice 7.6.1 Is Now Available for Download with More Than 120 Fixes

    There is a libreoffice docker image by linuxserver for self hosting/google docs replacement

    github.com/linuxserver/docker-libreoffice

    Gutless2615, to linux in LibreOffice 7.6.1 Is Now Available for Download with More Than 120 Fixes

    Can you self host libreoffice for a google docs alternative?

    breakcore, (edited )

    No, Libre Office is offline only.

    You need to look at something like Only Office, a free/open source web based office suite, which supports collaboration.

    onlyoffice.com/…/self-hosted-onlyoffice-docspace

    BautAufWasEuchAufbaut,
    @BautAufWasEuchAufbaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

    Is the one on nextcloud also onlyoffice?

    maeries,

    On nextcloud out can run only office and collabora if I remember correctly

    breakcore,

    I stand corrected, there is a web-version of libre office, although they don’t support it directly, they do provide builds etc.

    Read more here : www.libreoffice.org/download/libreoffice-online/

    CCatMan,

    Yeah also the site doesn’t seem to bring up the the keyboard on mobile. Which kills this as am alternative to google services… For now

    CCatMan,

    I see how to do it from the viewer, but not a great experience.

    immuredanchorite,

    I have been looking into cryptpad, but I don’t know if it is really secure/private, but it appears to be a privacy-oriented, self-host able google doc alternative: cryptpad.org

    marv99,

    please see this comment above

    undrwater,

    Yes. Collabora is the maintainer for the online version (as well as the Android). Easiest way to host is via nextcloud.

    Oha, to linux in Purism Launches New Secure Librem 11 Tablet PC Powered by Linux
    @Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz avatar
    Fluid, to linux in Purism Launches New Secure Librem 11 Tablet PC Powered by Linux
    @Fluid@aussie.zone avatar

    Purism is dead in the water following the atrocious Librem 5 fiascos.

    Cargon, to linux in Purism Launches New Secure Librem 11 Tablet PC Powered by Linux

    $1000 for a device with an N5100 CPU seems… mispriced.

    independantiste,
    @independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

    Starlabs’ Starlite Mk V. Seems like a much much better deal at about half the price and you get a much newer and faster processor as well

    Shatur,

    Do any of these devices support precision ink pen? Looking for my Surface replacement.

    independantiste, (edited )
    @independantiste@sh.itjust.works avatar

    the starlabs one has an optional stylus with pressure levels, not sure about the purism one

    Shatur,

    Thanks, that’s important for me because my wife use it as drawing device!

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