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SSUPII, to android in Don't waste your money on an awful Android tablet on Black Friday

It’s not only with Black Friday. The Android tablets market is flooded with absolute expensive stinkers for devices. You will notice this in any physical electronic store.

db2,

Not to mention fakes. I bought and Android 12 tablet on Amazon as new not long ago, the version string said 12, but the actual API level was 24 (Android 7) and the UI wasn’t android 12.

If you don’t think that’s a big deal on a cheap tablet then you’re not considering what else could have been done to it that you can’t see. They’re already lying after all.

qupada,

And even apparently from name brands.

My sister bought a low-end Samsung tablet (some years ago admittedly), and it NEVER received a software update in the 3 years she owned it. Not a major update, not a security patch, nothing.

I'd hope they've gotten better about that, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

squaresinger,

Probably that was before Samsung offered 5 years of updates. And if the tablet was a bit outdated, it would have easily been outside of the software EOL date.

That’s why you should always go for phones/tablets that have been released this year and not take an outdated one. Not for the specs, but for the software support duration.

Over here there is a food discounter that also has a tiny electronics corner, where they have “great” deals. You can often get phones and tablets for less than half of the MSRP. The issue is, that all of them are either out of software support or close to it. A while ago they sold a cheap iPhone that had one month of software support left. And on iPhone, most apps only run on the currently newest iOS version. So a month after buying that iPhone, the user would lose access to most of their apps.

SSUPII,

That’s honestly amazing for mobile software development. A stack of devices that can make great testing devices or compact servers if cheap enough. Or Clash of Clans/Pokemon GO alt accounts.

cupcakezealot,
@cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone avatar

my s7 is on the latest android and still gets patches samsung is so much better these days

Carighan, to android in Don't waste your money on an awful Android tablet on Black Friday
@Carighan@lemmy.world avatar

Yeah if I were to buy offbrand, it’d be a Windows tab. At least due to the driver standardization and everything, and near-endless updates, I got a good chance to be able to use that so long as the raw hardware is up to speed.

BearOfaTime, to android in Nothing Chats, the Sunbird-based iMessage app, is a privacy nightmare with unencrypted messages and images

Uh, no shit?

angelsomething, to android in Nothing Chats, the Sunbird-based iMessage app, is a privacy nightmare with unencrypted messages and images

Didn’t sunbird close down business?

TheMadnessKing, to android in LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5 million Android devices

Honestly, Custom ROMs have been in decline of usage since few years. There are also Other ROMS like Pixel Experience, PixyOS, Havoc, evolutionX, PixelOS, Paranoid, Derpfest, CrDroid and lot more.

The reason for the drop is due to a combination of reasons like better OEM UI, unpublished Kernel code (Chinese OEMs, Mediatek), locked bootloaders and Safetynet issues.

I’m currently rocking CrDroid it has currently ~85K active devices (stats.crdroid.net).

nexusband,
@nexusband@lemmy.world avatar

Before i got my Pixel 6 Pro, i’ve been running Custom Roms on everything. The Pixel 6 Pro is probably the first device, i’m actually okay running Stock. It just does what it should. And i’ll be honest, the hassle of getting it to work properly (Banking, Netflix, etc) is just too much for my everyday phone…Google really did a number on that one, both positive and negative. I kind of hate it…

adavis,

I used to turn to custom roms to extend the life of my phone. My first smartphone didn’t get an official update after I purchased it for example. The custom roms often made the phone snappier too.

These days I’m on a mid range Samsung phone released almost 4 years ago and it’s still getting updates.

BiggestBulb,
@BiggestBulb@kbin.social avatar

Ditto on a Pixel 6 Pro. There were a ton of people with issues when this thing came out, but I was lucky enough to dodge all the issues.

nexusband,
@nexusband@lemmy.world avatar

I had none over the last 2 years…which is funny, because i fully expected to have them - and put a custom rom on it. There are just two things that irk me…you can’t disable IPv6 and the adaptive charging is still not enough for me personally, i would have liked to have a hard limit…

0ops,

Ironically that’s one of the only phones that you have the choice of not running stock

nexusband,
@nexusband@lemmy.world avatar

I know - which was the reason i got it in the first place.

deweydecibel,

Not it isn’t. Plenty of OEMs let you unlock the bootloader.

0ops,

That isn’t the only factor though. Take OnePlus, for example. You can still unlock their bootloaders, but if you check out XDA you’ll see that their hasn’t been any custom roms for a OnePlus flagship since the 9 pro because they stopped publishing the MSM tool, so the risk of bricking the phone is too great.

gunpachi,
@gunpachi@lemmings.world avatar

I guess the same thing is happened with samsung after the s10 series. No new roms for the newer ones apart from 1 or 2 oneui based roms.

sv1sjp,
@sv1sjp@lemmy.world avatar

But in most of OEMs you cannot relock the bootloader with your own key…

deweydecibel,

Google really did a number on that one, both positive and negative. I kind of hate it…

And yet you bought a Pixel and supported them in this.

deweydecibel,

better OEM UI

Very subjective.

Unpublished kernel code

Don’t use those phones.

Locked bootloaders

Plenty of OEMs allow bootloader unlocking, stop buying Samsung.

Safetynet issues

It’s Google Play Integrity checking now, and as someone who has been using LinageOS on unrooted phones for a while, I’ve never had these issues. Not to say people out there aren’t having them, but it’s not as bleak as people seem to believe it is.

I have one phone that’s rooted, and I have to use magisk to hide it, and that occasionally has issues, but not the non-rooted ones running custom roms.

NRoach44,
@NRoach44@lemmy.ml avatar

Where are these OEMs that allow proper bootloader unlocking on most of their range?

Google, Sony …? Huawei stopped doing it, Oppo & Samsung doesn’t last I checked.

Professor_Piddles,

OnePlus has a pretty good track record for this

scrooge101,

Fairphone

TheMadnessKing,

Xiaomi Does albeit with some wait time.

gunpachi,
@gunpachi@lemmings.world avatar

I still remember the good old days when there was no waiting time.

TheMadnessKing, (edited )

I’m talking from a general user perspective who often can’t even differentiate between chipsets let alone look for such details.

People used to got to Custom ROMs because OEMs were really doing shit job, that’s not the case now given now.

FutileRecipe,

People used to got to Custom ROMs because OEMs were really doing shit job, that’s not the case now given now.

Yep. I used to use custom (ROMs, kernels, etc) for the extra features and playing with my phone like a shiny new toy. Now I use GrapheneOS because OEMs and Google don’t do security and privacy anywhere near as good as GOS. And I can live with the minor inconvenience of apps that use Play Integrity API, though I do encourage the app devs to switch to hardware backed attestation because: “Android’s hardware attestation API provides a much stronger form of attestation than the Play Integrity API with the ability to whitelist the keys of alternate operating systems. It also avoids an unnecessary dependency on Google Play services and Google’s Play Integrity servers.” grapheneos.org/…/attestation-compatibility-guide

Kusimulkku,

It’s Google Play Integrity checking now, and as someone who has been using LinageOS on unrooted phones for a while, I’ve never had these issues. Not to say people out there aren’t having them, but it’s not as bleak as people seem to believe it is

Maybe a week ago they borked the integrity of custom ROMs. GPay/Wallet doesn’t work anymore with Magisk shenanigans. Happened to every ROM I checked.

sv1sjp,
@sv1sjp@lemmy.world avatar

Now try to use most of Banking applications (even McDonalds app lol) Most of these application require Google Play Integrity. So practically, you are enforced to use Google Play Services or buy a second device to run android with gapps and then power it off (that’s what I did)

MonkderZweite,

Safetynet issues

Fun part of this is that it relies entirelly on Googles tracking framework.

CoderKat,

Do custom ROMs still have issues with some apps not allowing them? It’s been an eternity since I tried one and I don’t know if it’s a hard requirement, but at least when I did try it, I had (?) to root my device and my bank apps refused to work after that.

TheMadnessKing,

I haven’t encountered such a thing yet (been using for 5 months).

There are lot of methods to bypass those checks even now, and often many ROMs do this by default. (LineageOS doesn’t do that afaik)

gunpachi,
@gunpachi@lemmings.world avatar

Some banking or payment apps can detect root and won’t let you use them.

When I used to run Custom ROMs I just used magisk to hide the root and these apps would work fine afterwards.

sv1sjp,
@sv1sjp@lemmy.world avatar

Many applications especially banks require Google Safetynet to be functional, even without root. I am running DivestOS, a hardened version of LineageOS without gapps, and I can’t have access on my bank because I chose freedom. Democracy at its finest…

Spoilt, to android in LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5 million Android devices

And some applications still refuse to launch on it, preferring an outdated version of Android because Google does not send its security updates after 3 years.

aprnu, to android in LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5 million Android devices

Here you can take a look at popularity by device

FoolHen,

Daaamn sagit (xiaomi mi 6) number 3. Writing this from a sagit with LOS, such a great phone. This is why it’s great to have community supported roms, this phone hasn’t been updated for many many years and would be close to being unusable if it wasn’t for them.

I have this phone since December 2017 and I’ve had no issue so far to make me change. I’ve thought many times about upgrading, but it’s so smooth, camera with gcam is great and new things like quick charging and 5g are things that I don’t really need, so I haven’t changed yet. I’m afraid of choosing a device that won’t be as good as this one and that it won’t last as long.

It’s sad that community made Roms are less and less popular, I feel like phones are evolving less each year and Roms are a great way to have more control and extend the lives of your phone.

gunpachi,
@gunpachi@lemmings.world avatar

I had a similar experience with the Asus Zenfone Max Pro M1. It was a budget phone but it had tons of custom roms and it lasted a good 4 years for me. I had to change phones because it broke during a motorcycle accident.

lemmyvore,

And it could’ve even been useful, had they not chosen to show the code names instead of the make and model…

pastermil,

I second this. Definitely not gonna be looking up for each entry.

YarrMatey, to android in LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5 million Android devices

I wish I could install lineage on my s10+ snapdragon. I just got this phone and now I just ordered a pixel to get grapheneos. I was willing to pay this guy on telegram to unlock my phone so I could try to get lineage to work or at least a custom rom, but my bootloader is one update off, I have v6 but he only supports up to v5. I hate ordering new devices when my current ones are still functional. I also am getting rid of my fitbit I also just got and replacing it with the amazon band 5 since it can connect to gadgetbridge. Degoogling is expensive, it shouldn’t be this bad just to get privacy. I’m not sure what to do with my devices I am replacing, but I hate that they had to be replaced in the first place. I also switched from google services to proton mail/drive/vpn.

dorumon,

Keep them forever like I do! Just start collecting smartphones because it’s better for the environment. I have like 10 of them never going into a landfill. Maybe find people who actually need phones idk.

Fisch,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

I’m thinking about selling my old phones on eBay. It’s better if someone can get any use out of them instead of them just laying around in my room.

dorumon,

Yeah you should probably do that instead. Or be like me and switch phones everyday for some reason. Go insane use an iPhone and then an android phone than a phone from 2016 you have to custom rom to get working again because it’s last update was from 2018 and you have to replace the battery.

bort, to android in LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5 million Android devices

do banking apps work on it again?

Unreliable,

It’s a constant cat and mouse game with Google. You can use Magisk with Zygisk enabled, Shamiko, and Play Integrity Fix (there’s also a few other combos that work) to get baking apps to work. I have no issues on my rooted Pixel 8 Pro, but it’s always a gamble if Google updates their end and then you get locked out of Google Wallet for a day once you update your fixes (not banking apps).

itmike,
@itmike@fikaverse.club avatar

@bort @ijeff As long as you don't root it, yes... and if you root it there is workarounds that might work.

Kusimulkku,

Unfortunately GPay / Google Wallet has been borked on most ROMs since the recent Google shenanigans about a week ago. Even those not rooted. I got hit by that, running ArrowOS and not being rooted.

My bank’s app works though so eh, lost some convenience but can get things done.

bort,

@bort

You talking to me?

Fisch,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

Depends on your bank. My bank’s app (Sparkasse) has always worked, even when I had Magisk installed.

nfsu2, to android in LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5 million Android devices
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

Lineage OS is really great, I recommend the forked version with MicroG bundled to use google apps.

tetris11,
@tetris11@lemmy.ml avatar

Or, just skip that step altogether

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

If you aren’t sure if you can fully degoogle then it a great offer. Unfortunately many apps depend on GSF so its understandable.

shortwavesurfer,

Depends on how pure you want to be. If you are a purest, that is a bad thing to do.

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

Well yes you are right, but being completely pure is borderline impossible IMO, and most people transition slowly.

shortwavesurfer,

True. I have been using Lineage with no gapps package for a bit over 4 years now. I no longer even have a google account as of almost 2 years ago.

Kaldo,
@Kaldo@kbin.social avatar

Is it equal to a regular android? Will the usual banking apps work on it, for example?

Hiro8811,

No. Banking won’t work and you can’t lock bootloader. As far as I know there’s no Recovery password so someone could just adb and pull data. If you want to use banking apps you could use magisk to pass safety net but that will make your phone less secure. Personally I have no banking app so I don’t give a shit

Kackstift24,

Banking apps work for me. And you cant pull data over adb without the password. The data is encrypted by default since a few Android versions

BearOfaTime,

It really depends on the banking app.

And you can always use a browser - Hermit enables you to use a web page that looks much like an app.

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

I think you can configure that some apps can be only accessed by root user while not giving root permissions to a pc usb debugging

sadreality,

They work in the browser;)

For now

TheDuffmaster,

With the right Magisk modules I got my banking apps working

Amir,
@Amir@lemmy.ml avatar

Nowadays with SafetyNet hardware checks it’s a dangerous game to rely on that.

Fisch,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

The Sparkasse (german bank) app works perfectly fine. I use LineageOS with microG and I’m not logged in with a Google account or anything.

umbrella,

I want to move away from GSF, how is MicroG working nowadays? I used it some years ago but it was buggy with any app related to mapping, and some other quirks.

nfsu2,
@nfsu2@feddit.cl avatar

It works perfectly in my case can’t say for others. You should check their issues page in github about your device.

Fisch,
@Fisch@lemmy.ml avatar

Works perfectly fine for me. I’ve also used an app that used Google Maps in it and it worked perfectly fine. Instead of Google Maps it displayed the map on OpenStreetMap.

aiman, to android in Apple gets the message, RCS coming to iPhone in 2024 with same Universal Profile as Android

I have faith in Apple, it’ll be difficult but they’ll find a way to do this that still maintains all the toxicity towards green bubbles that they’ve worked so hard to cultivate.

Flax_vert,

They are literally keeping the green bubbles for RCS users lmao

svellere,
@svellere@lemmy.world avatar

Right, but the features will be mostly on-par with iMessage. The only thing you’d be missing out on are chat effects and the 3D avatar things. The stigma will stay for a little bit, but probably die out over time because the stigma developed in the first place not due to the color of the bubble, but because the color of the bubble meant worse features.

zettajon,
@zettajon@lemdro.id avatar

Exactly, some of my iPhone-using friends don’t care about the color itself, just that sending a video via MMS results in a 240p mess. Being able to properly RCS videos, and multiple photos, will alleviate all actual concerns. They don’t care about message reactions, and I don’t know a single person who uses the avatar things (I’m in my early 30s in NY)

svellere,
@svellere@lemmy.world avatar

RCS supports message reactions, just not the crazy iMessage effects.

Flax_vert,

Yep

deweydecibel, (edited ) to android in LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5 million Android devices

I’m obstinate as fuck, and I have a downright unhealthy resentment of having software capabilities taken away. As long as there’s a single setting or feature that I can get from a custom ROM that I can’t get on stock, I will use them.

Many versions ago, Google removed the “hold back button to kill foreground app” functionality, and I’ll use LineageOS soley to keep that (but there’s plenty of other reasons). The ability to restore useful features that Google and OEMs take away is an absolute necessity for me.

It’s almost enjoyable; I get a kick out of telling Google to fuck itself and restoring my device’s capabilities.

owenfromcanada,
@owenfromcanada@lemmy.world avatar

I feel the same way, though on LineageOS, I wasn’t able to get the double-click-power-for-camera to ever work properly. Do you happen to have/use that feature?

bufalo1973, to android in LineageOS is currently installed on 1.5 million Android devices
@bufalo1973@lemmy.ml avatar

I’ve changed thanks to not having any update on my Moto G7 Power since 2021.

RGB3x3, to android in OnePlus Open brings back Facebook/Meta bloatware apps

God, I hate Facebook and Meta.

Their preinstalled & unremovable apps are why I refuse to buy a Samsung phone and now I guess I’ll never buy a OnePlus.

Don’t put garbage third-party apps on phones that people can’t remove. It’s infuriating

people_are_cute,
@people_are_cute@lemmy.sdf.org avatar

+1

ExLisper,

My GF bought Samsung phone couple of weeks ago and all the apps were removable (as in you could uninstall, not just hide). They have different version of the OS for different markets, right?

limerod,

You can remove Facebook the app itself. But, you can not remove the services, installer app, or the manager app. https://reddthat.com/pictrs/image/d415e206-48e4-4ced-b0d1-a01b5864b55c.jpeg

ExLisper,

And this is what does the tracking? Or just occupies space?

limerod,

If it’s Facebook, I’m afraid it does all of it.

amelia,

Huh, I don’t have that on my S22

keyez,

Samsungs unlocked non carrier devices don’t come with these apps, FYI to those reading the thread.

KrapKake,

Still can’t unlock the bootloader on Samdung phones in North America even if carrier unlocked. So that is a non-starter for custom ROMs.

Moonrise2473, to android in Google Drive redesigns the document scanner on Android

Since when it had this feature?

And why putting this feature in Google drive instead of Google lens or Google camera?

I’ve been uninstalling Google drive as the first thing to do when setting a new phone since 2012

sanpo,

It used to be a separate app, but it got silently abandoned. The Google way!

TheMadnessKing,

This is exactly me. Never felt the need of the Google Drive app till now.

dantheclamman,
@dantheclamman@lemmy.world avatar

It’s had this for a few years. Microsoft has its Office Lens both as a freestanding app, and built in to the combined Office Android app. Adobe has a pretty good scanning app too, though I’ve moved away from Adobe anything. All of these companies are chasing after corporate clients who might already have the app installed as part of their enterprise subscription. Probably helps with locking in if employees are used to opening the Drive app for their scanning, as opposed to a freestanding app.

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